House panel votes to allow word ‘God’ in state classrooms

Sierra Vista Herald ^ | Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services

[SandRat]

PHOENIX — Saying it just translates a Latin word already in the state motto, a House panel voted Monday to let schools literally put the word "God'' into classrooms — as long as it's connected to the word "enriches.''

Existing Arizona law says teachers and administrators may read or post a variety of things in any classroom. They range from the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem to published decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court and the writings and speeches of the Founding Fathers' and presidents.

It also includes the national motto, which is "In God We Trust.''

SB 1289, which now needs approval of the full House, would add the state motto, "Ditat Deus.''

But the proposal by Sen. Gail Griffin, R-Hereford, also says that can be translated into its English version of "God enriches.'' That attracted the attention — and objection — of Tory Roberg, lobbyist for the Secular Coalition for Arizona.

Roberg said it would be one thing if the state were simply going to post the motto, first used in 1863, in its Latin form. Nor does she object to posting the state seal in classrooms with its Latin version of the motto.

"The English translation of the motto is not the Arizona state motto,'' Roberg told lawmakers. "We're talking about allowing teachers to put a sign on the wall with the words 'God enriches' with no explanation.''

Roberg conceded that the national motto also contains the word "God.''

But she said courts have allowed it to remain in use, including on U.S. currency, not just because of its history, but also due to "meaningless rote repetition,'' to the point where it is not seen as an endorsement of religion or even theism. That, Roberg said, is not the case with the phrase "God enriches,'' which is derived from a passage in the Book of Genesis. Roberg said it "actively promotes belief in God.''

Added to that, she said, is her claim that 13 percent of children younger than 18 — those in schools — identify as atheists.

But Roberg had no better luck Monday than she had when the measure cleared the Republican-controlled Senate last month on a 17-13 party-line vote. In fact, she actually did worse, as Rep. Macario Saldate, D-Tucson, joined with Republicans on the Education Committee for an 8-2 vote to send the measure to the full House.

Rep. Rusty Bowers, R-Mesa, said he doesn't understand all the fuss, and said he doesn't consider the words to be intolerant.

"All it would say to someone who believed is there might be some power, any power, as they wish to identify it,'' he said. "They could worship an alligator as a god, they could worship the sun as a god, they could worship a more acceptable — in a miracle sense — other beings as gods.

“But I don't think it necessarily causes irreparable harm to anybody in an attitude of tolerance for all religion or lack of religion.''

Rep. Paul Boyer, R-Phoenix, said too much was being made of allowing the English version of the motto being put into classrooms.

"It's an accurate translation from the Latin,'' he said.

Rep. Reginald Bolding, D-Laveen, said his vote against the legislation wasn't based on Roberg's objections. Bolding said he sees nothing in law now that precludes anyone from putting up the state motto, whether in Latin or English.

[NELSON111]

Oh thank you our benovolent overlords.

[Clutch Martin]

There are lots of gods and there is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob-Israel and Jesus... all anglicised for our reading pleasure and to possibly make prayer ineffectual.

A concordance will help sort out the various names of G-d terminology for the leader of the Army of Angels.

This bill further shows societies ignorance and that the modern church continues in leading the sheeple astray, it’s window dressing. Breakout the chocolate and easter baskets... santy klaws is watching... sheesh...

[Maudeen]

and that the modern church continues in leading the sheeple astray

One only has to look in the Book of Ezekiel to see what God had to say and do with the "shepherds" leading their flocks astray not to mention the leaders of the countries. Woe to the United States of America and its churches if they don't start turning things around big-time.

[dayglored]

> "All it would say to someone who believed is there might be some power, any power, as they wish to identify it,'' he said. "They could worship an alligator as a god, they could worship the sun as a god, they could worship a more acceptable — in a miracle sense — other beings as gods."

"Alligator Enriches"?

Yep, we're in trouble alright. God has many names, but I don't think "Alligator" is one of them. Then again, I haven't had the opportunity to ask Him... yet.

[AndyTheBear]

One can not reasonably cover history or philosophy without mentioning God.