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1 posted on 03/09/2018 11:07:28 AM PST by Simon Green
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I do like big ships.

The US was going to build 32 Zumwalt-class Destroyers. They were very big destroyers, with an emphasis on land attack and very impressive range for shelling beaches and whatnot. There was a fair amount of discussion at the time whether they really were destroyers or if they were basically battleships. Doesn’t really matter.

Well, money got tight and we didn’t build 32 of them. I think we will end up with 3.

And the first of them (USS Zumwalt) has had nothing but trouble since it was commissioned. Trouble sailing, munitions, too expensive, etc. I do love big ships. But I think the US is not capable of handling a true Battleship. We are not the nation we were 70 years ago.


2 posted on 03/09/2018 11:14:03 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The government cannot protect you and isn't even trying. Self-defense is a right.)
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Cue Space Battleship Yamato.


3 posted on 03/09/2018 11:15:13 AM PST by C19fan
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“The U.S. Navy will never again be a dreadnought fleet of big-gun battleships.”

True, but it wouldn’t hurt to have a few of these fire-breathing dragons around. The battleships were very effective in the first Gulf War when they shelled enemy positions with deadly accuracy.

And the massive 16” shells those ships fired were utterly indifferent to anti-missile defense systems.

There remains a place for a few of these battleships that fired massive shells. Perhaps they could be augmented with rail guns and other newer weapons while still retaining the old school weaponry and armor that made them so imposing they were once considered a threat to civilization as we know it.


4 posted on 03/09/2018 11:15:37 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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Thanks for posting.


5 posted on 03/09/2018 11:18:04 AM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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And the nukes are a lot bigger now ...

6 posted on 03/09/2018 11:18:11 AM PST by BlueLancer (Black Rifle Coffee - Freedom, guns, tits, bacon, and booze!)
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The battleship North Carolina was struck by a single submarine torpedo and was in repair for months in 1942, a mission kill.

The battleship Pennsylvania was struck in Aug 1945 by a smaller aerial torpedo and had such extensive damage that she ended up losing a prop shaft and was expended in the Bikini nuke test.


7 posted on 03/09/2018 11:18:39 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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9 posted on 03/09/2018 11:22:09 AM PST by DannyTN
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I think that it would be highly advantageous if this country could field a half dozen very large, very well-armored ships that could accurately put down several dozen tons of high explosive and/or armor-piercing ordnance anywhere within 40-50 miles of the shore line...every minute. That’d put the fear of God into a lot of people.

If it got nuked, it’d be a goner...but then again, so would whomever launched said nuke, and whomever ordered said nuke launched - we have LOTS of counter to that, and everyone knows it. But you won’t have an Exocet missile putting a dreadnought like that at the bottom of the ocean...especially if it, and the supporting ships in its task force, are armed with the multi-megawatt lasers that the Navy is currently developing. They’ll be able to knock down missiles and planes at a fair distance, and fire multiple time per minute - EACH, and you can put dozens on a huge battlewagon.


13 posted on 03/09/2018 11:30:12 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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I like the idea of the re-purposed Ohio-class subs:

Something that can get in close, surface from out of nowhere, shoot off 154 cruise missiles in a few seconds, and disappear again.

15 posted on 03/09/2018 11:37:52 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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And the Army can bring back horse cavalry, too.


16 posted on 03/09/2018 11:41:12 AM PST by captain_dave
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To: Simon Green; ClearCase_guy; Army Air Corps; MeganC
The Navy suffers from what I call "Air Force Syndrome".

The Iowa Class Battleships are beyond amazing machines. Now however they are over 70 years old.

The Navy can't keep relying on them every time they have to fill their big gun needs.

In a sane world we come up with a Monitor-Type Ship.

Something you could place off shore with two or four 8, 10 or even 12 inch guns.

We have the technology today to make that work.

But no, Monitors are far too effective and cost efficient. We need to waste money on a "Littoral Ground-Fire Suppression Automation System" or the L.G.F.S.A.S. for short.

18 posted on 03/09/2018 12:01:36 PM PST by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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The future is drone boats serving as recon, electronic warfare and missile platforms, with stealth structures and minimal draught.


22 posted on 03/09/2018 12:33:04 PM PST by lurk
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I’d be overjoyed to see the Wisconsin, New Jersey and, of course, Mighty Mo brought back in to service. I never thought they should have been re-de-commissioned after they were refitted in the 1980s.


26 posted on 03/09/2018 1:09:01 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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