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To: Zhang Fei

It resembles Nazi Germany more than anything.

You can own stuff, but the government can seize it at any time on a whim, if you are deemed a threat.


12 posted on 04/21/2018 9:11:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
The collectivist systems all devolve into Fascism, is how Hayek saw it from his watching it all happen in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s.

Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

I don't think 75 years have changed this assessment. If anything the passage of time has proved Hayek correct again and again.

And of course the "the liberal of the old type", "those who really believe in individual freedom," has little to do with our modern Liberals, who are typically socialist useful idiots. Our Left corrupts language at every turn. It is the modern conservative who believes in individual freedom, while the Left suppresses it at every turn with speech codes, 2A restrictions, etc.

15 posted on 04/21/2018 9:24:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dfwgator

“It resembles Nazi Germany more than anything.

You can own stuff, but the government can seize it at any time on a whim, if you are deemed a threat.”


That’s not Nazi Germany - that’s absolute rulers ever since man started ruling man. What’s unique about Nazi Germany is its insistence on killing entire ethnicities in the absence of universal armed revolt. Hitler was one of a kind. Most kings try to expand the numbers of their subjects via conquest, regardless of religion or creed. To not be harmed, all you had to do was not insult the king or otherwise be in opposition to his rule. Few men like Hitler establish long-lasting empires - they simply draw too much opposition from people who have nothing to lose, since they are targeted for extermination anyway.


17 posted on 04/21/2018 9:37:56 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dfwgator

It’s true. It’s a form of Fascism these days.


23 posted on 04/21/2018 10:00:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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