Posted on 06/08/2018 8:08:27 AM PDT by fishtank
Was He incompetent in telling Moses how much time it took Him? As you even stated, God has a better understanding of time than even we do. If He meant millions of years, He would have told Moses as such.
Your idea makes it seem like we are capable of something God is not capable of doing. I for one believe God could tell you exactly what you were doing and thinking, 5 weeks ago at 1:34pm... without a clock. He is going to judge us one day, for all our deeds.
Isn’t that what’s on the inside of every tea pit? So what kind of discovery is this.
I would encourage you to read the rest of 2 Peter 3. Perhaps you will see why you are misusing that verse. God is not some old foolish man that has an issue counting his days apart.... ironically, it is exactly the opposite.
It’s going to take more than you saying that.
I see exactly the opposite. Such as the lack of erosion between layers.
Sparkletts?
“There is nothing in the bible that says how long a ‘day’ for god is, since he’s timeless and the 24 hour day is a human invention based on rotation of a planet around a sun, both of which didn’t even exist before God made them. For all we know a ‘day’ in God’s immortal terms is 10 trillion years as we understand time.”
A 24-hour day is not based on the earth going around the sun. That is how a year is defined. A day is defined by the earth’s rotation on its axis.
The Genesis creation story describes a seven day period of God’s creation and rest (on the seventh day). Genesis, like the book of John, begins with “In the beginning...”. This is an indication that time itself had a beginning. Jesus specifically identified this time, in which Adam and Eve were created / formed as “the beginning”.
Matthew 19:8
He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.”
We can easily trace and count the unbroken genealogies of people in the Bible starting with Adam along with events which took place at known times historically to give us a fairly precise measure of time since the “beginning”. And that time frame is approximately 6000 years.
There are a lot of people who will do mental backflips to accommodate the Bible to the assumptions of modern science. And yes, it is possible to misread the Bible and foolishly ignore scientific observation. Asserting the earth is flat and does not move around the sun because the Bible talks about the four corners of the earth and that the earth can not be moved is an example of this.
On the other hand, modern science stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the Biblical record. Science will take other historical records into account, and for more recent events in history will consider the Bible. But for what science considers pre-history it is considered unscientific to consider the claims of the Bible. Endless speculations are ok, just not the Bible.
Look up the term unconformity and get back to me.
Creation happened “in the beginning”. There is no way to know how long ago that happened. God also created all the races, so there were other humans on the Earth when he created THE Adam, and Eve. They were special circumstance from which the Savior would be brought into the Earth through a line of ancestors stretching from Adam and Eve, to Jesus Christ. How else can you explain the land of Nod where Cain was banished to?
Not saying we are clones, but if limited man can discover and produce clones, how much faith does it take to believe that the Creator of EVERYTHING, including physics, all matter, and life, can create plant life, animals, and people, in as short as six days? How is it possible? How do I know; I’m not God. But one thing’s for sure, assuming that we are NOT evolved from animals, there’s no way an embryo (implanted in whose womb?), can be born (of whom?), and grow from a baby into a functioning adult, without another adult present to feed, clothe, and nurture it. Therefore, God had to have created the first human beings, as fully formed and functioning ADULTS. The only other way to explain it, is by evolution, which is never Scriptural. And even if it were, into whose womb were the first mammals, those closest to our way of growing, and our environmental needs, etc., implanted, and by whom? The earth MAY have been created over time, as the Bible says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”, so that there could have been a long period between that being done, and bringing forth life, except that it describes the water, land, moon and stars being brought forth on certain days, and there is nothing to indicate that the first 4 days, was any different a time period, than the next 2 days, when life forms were created. If a person acknowledges God as Creator, there’s really no way to argue that the creation is anything other than what the Bible describes it to be. So that either God is God, or He is NOT. That settles it for me. God can do ANYTHING. I have seen a very small, yet profound creative miracle. I watched a man’s short leg, grow out to match the normal leg. I was there, in person, and saw this happen right in front of me. I saw a blur appear between the end of his foot, and the lower part of his leg, as it grew out to be even with the other leg. This was many years ago, before anything but basic computers were invented, and decades before any special effects had been invented. It was real, and unexplainable, other than God doing the impossible. “For with God, nothing shall be impossible”. Luke 1:37
So, then, God thinks we’re too stupid to understand the concept of years? What -— do we wake up every morning, like a goose, to a new world?
It only takes the simplest study of stratigraphy to demonstrate the Flood is not represented in Geology in any manner.
Not at all. See Mt. St. Helens, and creationism.
Wow. Comparing the deposition in a single localized volcanic eruption to the sweep of documented stratigraphy. Perhaps you'd like to try and use your theories to explain angular unconformities in sedementary rock.
But Peter's words come originally from Psalm 90:4
Nifster: "My larger concern is the idea that carbon dating has validity in the long scale."
Note the ending of verse 4:
Carbon dating is only one of dozens of different methods for determining ancient materials' ages.
Carbon dating covers periods back to about 60,000 years ago, but other radiometric dating methods go back billions of years.
One key question is whether radioactive decay worked the same in Deep Time as today, and the Bible seems to tell us, yes it did.
Another key scientific discovery was also predicted many times in the Bible when, for example:
Please explain how a single flood could deposit the lower layers in different depositional environments, fold the layers, erode into those folds, and then deposit on top of the erosional surface. BTW, there is a person in that photo to give a sense of scale here.
Oh my word.... I honestly am unsure if you are twisting the word intentionally, or are just missing things...
The end of verse 4 does NOT say as you claim. In fact, 2 Peter 3 is a condemnation for all of you promoting man’s ideas over the word of God.
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. - 2 Peter 3:3-5
You quoted just what the scoffers at the end will say as part of your proof.
Your picture shows mud layers laid rapidly and in a plastic state were pushed up and bent. If you think in terms of long periods of time for each layer, then no bending could occur. It is easier to see that massive continuous flooding would lay down layer by layer. The fossil record is a record of sudden death not of a slow evolution. A young earth and a global flood explains the sedimentary and fossil record.
I would encourage you to check out my post number 16. I cut and pasted the whole chapter of II Peter 3. I did not misuse any verse. Peter was quite clear in how God marks time.
But Peter's words come originally from Psalm 90:4 "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night." Note the Psalm does not make a strict equation of 1 Day = 1,000 years, but rather makes the time period indefinite -- 1,000 years might be a full day for God or just a four hour "watch in the night". So God's experience of time is clearly different than ours, and cannot be strictly equated.
We each get to account for what we individually claim the Scripture says and means. Apparently God did not see fit for Peter to add your particular disclaimer on how He marks time.
Those layers were deposited, lithified and then pushed up by continental collision. They did not have to be in a ‘plastic’ state prior to the folding - they were compressed and heated by the collision. And then eroded, and a sandstone deposited on top of the unconformity. No way a single geological event such as a flood can do all of that.
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