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Post Communism Russia is not the Soviet Union
Realclearpolitics ^ | Aug 7,2018 | Daniel J. Mahone

Posted on 08/07/2018 11:09:15 AM PDT by duckln

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To: duckln

Mike Pence on Putin and Russia:

(from the VP debate on Oct 5, 2016)

“When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said, in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin — that’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.”

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Also from the Oct 5, 2016 first VP debate...

QUIJANO (Moderator): I want to turn now to Syria. Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries. Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, Governor Pence?

PENCE: The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo. Hillary Clinton’s top priority when she became secretary of state was the Russian reset, the Russians reset. After the Russian reset, the Russians invaded Ukraine and took over Crimea.

And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America — the greatest nation on Earth — just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while Vladimir Putin puts a missile defense system in Syria while he marshals the forces and begins — look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.

It begins by rebuilding our military. And the Russians and the Chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end of the Second World War. We’ve got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.

But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

There’s a broad range of other things that we ought to do, as well. We ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the Czech Republic and Poland which Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pulled back on out of not wanting to offend the Russians back in 2009.

QUIJANO: Governor, your two minutes are up.

PENCE: We’ve just got to have American strength on the world stage. When Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, the Russians and other countries in the world will know they’re dealing with a strong American president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/politics/vice-president-transcript.html

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PENCE: What we’re dealing with is the — you know, there’s an old proverb that says the Russian bear never dies, it just hibernates.

And the truth of the matter is, the weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awakened an aggression in Russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move in Georgia, now their move into Crimea, now their move into the wider Middle East.

21 posted on 08/07/2018 11:59:41 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: duckln

Donald Trump: 'Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time'

Mar 13, 2014
Eun Kyung Kim: TODAY SHOW (NBC)

Donald Trump slammed President Obama Thursday on TODAY for failing to take a stronger line against President Vladimir Putin in dealing with Ukraine, saying he feared Obama would now make up for lost time with imprudent moves to "show his manhood."

The real estate mogul and reality-TV star, who has criticized Putin for sending military troops into Crimea, said Obama must now take fierce steps to prevent the situation from escalating further.

"We should definitely do sanctions and we have to show some strengths. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," Trump said. ..."

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098
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Here’s the interview w/ Matt Lauer on YouTube...

Donald Trump (2014): ‘Vladimir Putin Has Eaten Obama’s Lunch’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzURUENf1ns

22 posted on 08/07/2018 12:00:17 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: duckln
JULY 2017...

Trump, in Warsaw Speech, Criticizes Russia’s ‘Destabilizing’ Role in Ukraine, Syria

The president also reaffirmed his commitment to NATO’s mutual-defense pact

Jul 6, 2017

President Trump called Russia a “destabilizing” influence in Europe and the Middle East, and urged it to “join the community of responsible nations,” in his strongest remarks yet against the regime of Vladimir Putin, whom he is scheduled to meet Friday in Hamburg for the first time.

His remarks in Warsaw’s Krasinski Square, which marks the 1944 Warsaw uprising against the Nazis, came after the U.S. agreed to sell Patriot missiles to Poland. The president also used the opportunity to reiterate the NATO commitment to mutual defense, a declaration he did not make during the NATO summit in May, prompting consternation among U.S. allies wary of Russia’s ambitions.

“To those who would criticize our tough stance, I would point out that the United States has demonstrated—not merely with its words but with its actions—that we stand firmly behind Article 5, the mutual-defense commitment,” Trump said Thursday. “Words are easy, but actions are what matters. And for its own protection, Europe, and you know this, everybody knows this, everybody has to know this, Europe must do more.”

Trump has repeatedly said NATO members must spend more on defense—a position in line with past U.S. administrations. But he has been criticized because he appeared to suggest U.S. commitment to mutual defense was predicated on its allies’ defense spending. ...”

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/07/trump-russia/532761/

23 posted on 08/07/2018 12:00:42 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; All
We must all remember:

Good,

Good,

End of the world BAD.

24 posted on 08/07/2018 12:01:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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To: duckln

How Russia arms America's southern neighbors

Ioan Grillo
May 9, 2014

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Russia's push into Ukraine has put many on edge. But less known is that Russia is also strengthening its military links south of the Rio Grande and re-establishing itself as a power in the region.

Vladimir Putin has been strengthening military links here, and Russia is now the largest arms dealer to governments in Latin America, surpassing the United States.

Russia has even floated the possibility of building new military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, and putting its warships permanently in the Caribbean.

In the midst of the Ukraine crisis, Russia's top diplomat Sergei Lavrov recently visited Cuba, Peru, Chile, and Nicaragua, where he announced that Russia would also pour money into the new Central American canal project. ..."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/140508/russian-arms-military-trade-latin-america
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Russia Boosts Arms, Training for Leftist Latin Militaries

Moscow defense minister inks deals with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua for joint exercises

BY: Bill Gertz
February 20, 2015

Russia agreed to provide military training for three leftist regimes in Latin America and increase military visits and exercises following a visit last week to the region by Moscow's Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, Pentagon officials said.

Shoygu met with defense and military leaders in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua and signed several agreements on warship visits and military training during the visit, which ran from Feb. 11 to 14. It is not clear whether any new arms deals were completed during the visit.

Defense officials said the Russian leader is seeking bases in the region for strategic bomber flights that Shoygu recently promised would include flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-boosts-arms-training-for-leftist-latin-militaries/

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KGB/FSB Putin very much wants a 'unified Korea'...under communist NK rule

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Russia and North Korea declare 2015 a ‘year of friendship’

“The biggest cause for concern is the growing military alliance between Russia and North Korea, with the two regimes recently announcing plans to conduct a series of joint army, navy and air force exercises this year.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11463265/Russia-and-North-Korea-declare-2015-a-year-of-friendship.html

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Russia steps up North Korea support to constrain US

May 17, 2017

“Despite efforts by the United Nations to impose isolating sanctions on North Korea in response to the country’s continued development of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, trade between Russia and North Korea soared more than 85 percent in the first four months of the year.”

http://www.dw.com/en/russia-steps-up-north-korea-support-to-constrain-us/a-38867861

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Sept 5, 2017

North Korea nuclear crisis: Putin calls sanctions useless

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said pursuing further sanctions against North Korea is “useless”, saying “they’d rather eat grass than give up their nuclear programme”.

The US said on Monday it would table a new UN resolution on tougher sanctions in the wake of the latest test of a nuclear bomb by the North on Sunday.

Mr Putin also said that the ramping up of “military hysteria” could lead to global catastrophe.

He said diplomacy was the only answer.

China, the North’s main ally, has also called for a return to negotiations. ...”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41158281

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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

25 posted on 08/07/2018 12:01:45 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Putin pecker puffers will be along shortly


26 posted on 08/07/2018 12:08:05 PM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: ETL

Excellent..thanks


27 posted on 08/07/2018 12:11:21 PM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: Rashputin

Please don’t insult fellow FR members.
Unlike Facebook, it is ok to have alternative ideas here on FR.
Not saying they are right or wrong....just try and be respectful.
:-)


28 posted on 08/07/2018 12:13:41 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Zathras

I notice that you didn’t find comment #26 above worth of such a comment. You have an extremely warped view of what’s insulting.


29 posted on 08/07/2018 12:21:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: duckln
Post Communism Russia is not the Soviet Union

It can be argued that Communist Russia was Czarist Russia with less food and with post-communist Russia we are back to Czarist Russia without the titles.

Russia really does not change.

They have been playing "The Great Game" for a thousand years now. They are not the West, they are not the East. They are themselves. And while our interests may run in tandem for a while you should never turn your back on them or expect them to keep their word unless it is to their advantage.

In some ways they are much like China.

30 posted on 08/07/2018 12:23:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You know they say’ Watch what Trump does not what he says’.

Look at Vlad the same way.
The Soviet Union collapsed because it was hollow. Not the boogie man ‘intelligence’ proclaimed.

Russia is weaker than the USSR by far. Petrol money primarily
Economically they cannot be considered our prime threat.
yes I know they have nukes; so do we.

Germany and the pipeline are giving Russia economic power.


31 posted on 08/07/2018 12:34:27 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: PAR35

After all wars is a residual of hate. Lots didn’t like Japanese for a decade after WW II. Same here. It will take years of work to heal the hate of the cold war. Lots of folks died in those years in Proxies wars (Korea, Viet Nam and Others). The fear of Atomic Attack hit young and old alike, Rich and poor. I am sure, lots of Russians hate Germans even today for the crimes of WW II (27 million Soviets dead). WE must stop feeding the hate! What is done, is done. Its like southerners reviling Yankees for burning Atlanta in 1864. We can not hold on to hate.


32 posted on 08/07/2018 12:45:11 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: antidemoncrat

No, but I believe he absolutely is looking for a RUSSIA dominated USSR “area” over the same general area. But for “communism”? Not really.


33 posted on 08/07/2018 1:03:53 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: duckln

It wants to be. Putin is KGB.


34 posted on 08/07/2018 1:09:51 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: duckln

That’s right!!!

COMMUNIST CHINA IS THE NATIONAL THREAT and NOT capitalist Russia.


35 posted on 08/07/2018 1:11:09 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: PGR88; SJackson

Good points.

But, the international communists are not supporting russia, but socialism.


36 posted on 08/07/2018 1:26:51 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: duckln

Good article.

Russia is not a superpower and its not even hostile. Unlike the Soviet Union, it is not bent on our overthrow and destruction. Its no friend, true enough. Its not an enemy either though.

We need to withdraw from NATO and the Middle East and bring the boys home. That alone would remove practically all of our disagreements with Russia. Besides, why should we subsidize the Yurps’ defense and given our booming energy sector, why should we constantly meddle in the middle east to ensure the flow of our which we don’t need? If that flow gets disrupted, China and Europe take it right in the shorts. *shrug* Oh well. That’s not our problem.


37 posted on 08/07/2018 2:27:27 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: duckln

I have little problem with Russia. Putin however has made clear multiple times that he wants to restore Communism and the USSR, even aiding and abetting Communist revolutions and Communist states such as North Korea. Don’t believe me? Read this:

*https://westernfreepress.com/is-vladimir-putin-a-communist/
*https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/28051-communism-very-similar-to-christianity-putin-claims
*https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/putin-his-communist-party-membership-card-i-still-keep-it-home
*http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-stalin-model-20150611-story.html

Bear in mind that the first three aren’t liberal rags such as the LA Times or Newsweek (like the final one), but actual Conservative news sources that make this clear and even quote Putin on many aspects regarding the promotion of Communism. If he were truly concerned with restoring Russia, he would have made SURE to wipe out the Communists, get rid of ALL iconography that honors them, do a full-on Nuremberg of all Communists in Russia, ban the party, and also make sure to not only reject funding for any Communist allies, but if anything back as allies anti-Communist forces. That’s what I would have done in his shoes regarding making Russia great again.


38 posted on 08/07/2018 2:27:41 PM PDT by otness_e
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
/bingo. Of course, we're only saying that because Putin has said so.

39 posted on 08/07/2018 2:32:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: marron
The Democrats didn’t hate the Soviet Union, only post-soviet Russia

If the Dems really hated or feared the Russians, Obama and Hillary would never have helped them out so much militarily, particularly at a time when been flexing their muscles and looking to regain power.

40 posted on 08/07/2018 2:35:40 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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