Woman killed by neighborhood dogs

montgomeryherald.com ^ | 8/10/18

[Ikeon]

its called the Timothy Treadwell Syndrome> People who just have to keep wild or dangerous animals to get power from scaring others with their dangerous animals or to show how brave and fearless and more able than everyone else.. Thumbs up ! Now, how do you treat it other than wait for the person or someone to be maimed or killed.

[wardaddy]

Who the Eff are you?

Scandinavian furniture?

You sound like scared lib know it all

Psychoanalyze thee

Start with projection and transference

First session is free of charge

Next one u can donate to Jim

[subterfuge]

We tried to save the cat with $2000 surgery, which failed. Never got a dime from the neighbor but they were “really sorry.”

[Leep]

A dog..for those unaware is not like a gun..
For one thing, a gun is an inanimate object..
A dog, on the other hand is not an inanimate object.
And since a dog, in some circumstances, is unable to restrain itself, requires the owner to restrain his or her dog.
And, and this is crux of the matter, the owner is RESPONSIBLE for restraining his or her own dog.
Or he or she should face charges.

[Leep]

Or he or she should face charges.

If said dog mauls and or kills.
Especially, if said dog had a history of violent behavior.

[metmom]

Their dog, which they failed to contain.

THEIR responsibility.

But that’s me, although I see that’s not JUST me.

*really sorry* my..... foot.

I wonder how they’d react if someone killed their dog and was *really sorry*.

[Pollard]

It's really a lot like people. Depends on how they're brought up. I had a Chow Chow who spent 24/7 with me as I was self employed. I also shared a house with a former co-worker and his wife and two kids. The kids were toddlers and they were messing around with the dog one day, pulling on her tail at one point and she just sat and let out a bark. This dog went everywhere with me and so she was very socialized with people. I also treated her with much respect and love but she knew I was boss and she knew how to behave.

My buddy visited me several years later and brought his kids to swim in the lake I lived on. My neighbor had a Doberman/Shepherd mix that grew up on a farm with just him and his mom. Never had any kids around. This dog got up in my buddy's kids' faces growling and baring teeth. My dog ran across the yard and kicked that bigger dog's ass. Meanwhile, Chows are supposed to be one man dogs that can't be trusted around anyone else but that wasn't the way she was brought up. My buddy, his wife and those kids all loved her and she knew that.

Now of course, just like people, there are exceptions. Plenty of people have been raised properly and turn into criminals or commit harry carry. Also, animals have strong survival instincts and are territorial so that makes for a different set of rules. My dad always said, you can't trust an animal. I would say, you can't trust an animal that's not yours and you can only trust yours to a degree.

One of the reasons I took that dog with me everywhere was BECAUSE I was living with that family and I wasn't going to leave the dog there with just the wife and kids. She was my responsibility and so was the safety of others from her. Now another buddy of mine had my dog's brother and raised him completely different. He had to keep that dog tied up with a chain and had to warn everyone to stay away and warn that it would kill any other dog that got within it's reach. That buddy thought of himself as a bit of a badass and so he made the dog in his image. Male dogs are different from female but I'd be willing to bet that if he got the female and I got the male, my dog would still have been safer to be around.

Yeah, I was surprised by some of the breeds on that list. I saw a Pomeranian, sad, killed a 6 week old baby girl as the parents slept. Animals also have jealousy, or at least any animal that runs in a pack, herd, flock etc because they have a social hierarchy that they adhere to. They also will kill the weak or sickly of their group due to their survival instincts. Either of those things can cause them to go after a kid. Kids can also be mean so I imagine at least a few dog attacks are really be instigated by the kid.

Dogs can sense people's emotions and that can change the dynamics of a situation. If they sense fear and hate in a person they're going to be wary of that person.

The reason I come on these threads is because I disagree with the whole breed specific legislation and attitudes. That list shows why. Pit Bulls were here long before the German breeds yet they didn't become the most apt to be a killer dog until recent decades. Before that, it was the German breeds and any breed closer to the wolf, like the sled dogs. Now pit bulls do have dog to dog aggression due to how they were bred so you definitely have to socialize them with a lot of other dogs or keep them well fenced.

They were an American icon of sorts. At least one of our presidents owned one. They were the RCA logo for decades. Buster Brown shoes. Little Rascals? Pit Bull. George Patton had one. They represented the USA on WWI posters. Helen Keller had one. Through all those years, they were not a problem. I doubt they're genetics have changed. It's all about who owns/raises them.

[Norski]

If this is of interest to anyone:

https://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/

ONTARIO
A dangerous pit bull seized from a dog-fighting ring in Ontario, Canada, scheduled to be euthanized, instead has been “saved” by pit bull promoters and is on his way to K-9 police dog training

The OSPCA said at the time of the seizure that expert dog rehabilitators determined the dogs “were the most game dogs they have ever seen. They are not pets, their focus is to kill.”

www.metro.us/news/local-news/philadelphia/pit-bull-saved-canadian-dogfighting-ring … See More

6 hours ago

[metmom]

A dangerous pit bull seized from a dog-fighting ring in Ontario, Canada, scheduled to be euthanized, instead has been “saved” by pit bull promoters and is on his way to K-9 police dog training

WHY in God's name?

Put the thing down.

There's got to be plenty of other dogs that would be more suitable for police K-9 work than a four legged death machine.

[Norski]

The site referenced is worth checking daily if one can stand it. As for why -

Here is a five part series which I believe give some answers. It is a pdf.

My opinion is 1) Money and 2) the entities in control of the persons pushing pit bulls and other dangerous dogs enjoy the results of their efforts.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/08-13-16-la-presse-five-part-series-pit-bulls-vet-report.pdf

[familyop]

Ledy VanKavage, mentioned in the PDF article behind the link in your last comment, also advocates for feral “cat colonies” (mentioned in her profiles on pit bull advocacy sites).

...more interesting comments here, allegedly about her background.

https://maultalk.wordpress.com/tag/ledy-vankavage/

[metmom]

Reports of what the dogs were like, or supposed to be like long ago, isn’t what we’re dealing with today, even if they are the same dog that is being discussed in the news stories we are faced with on almost a daily basis.

And it doesn’t prove that there weren’t attacks in those days. Just that nobody wrote news stories about them.

It proves nothing about the breed today.

[wardaddy]

20 million pitbulls and likely many more considering what folks call pitbulls today

20 fatalities annually on average

Some years 10-15

Other years 25-30

Those are the realities despite how some freepers run stories daily

[metmom]

There’s also this interesting article in a link mentioned in the story.

Pit Bull Myths (10 common myths about pit bulls)
https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

Most of them we are confronted with on virtually every thread that is posted reporting a pit attack.

[kanawa]

We all know that a gun is not like a dog.
We all know that a gun is an animate object and that a dog is an animate creature
Snidely belaboring the obvious teaches us nothing.

What ties them both together is RESPONSIBILTY.
The owner of both the dog and the gun are responsible to keep them under control and contained.

Would you like to investigate something?
Investigate how many children are killed by accessing guns left poorly contained and not in the control of the owner.

[Norski]

Dogsbite.org has so many pages and so much information that it is difficult to read it all. You have accessed and linked to a page I do not believe I have read, at least I do not recall reading this exact item. I believe this Ledy VanKavage is the person who (in Animals247 article) heads BestFriends Animal Foundation or Animal Farm Foundation.

( Note: AnimalPeople is the predecessor to Animals24-7. Disclosure: Merritt Clifton is NOT a conservative. Caveat emptor. )

I do not have an opinion on feral cat colonies.

I have not posted the article regarding the fighting dogs being trained for K9 work. Only have I linked to those of interest.

Norski

[Pollard]

The 60s wasn’t that long ago but you do have a point. Look who’s breeding(and probably inbreeding) them today. Thugs mostly.

[familyop]

“In 2008, there were 316,200 ED [emergency department] visits...related to dog bites...”
Laurel Holmquist, M.A. and Anne Elixhauser, Ph.D.
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
November 2010
https://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb101.pdf

“’In 2015, more than 28,000 people underwent reconstructive surgery as a result of being bitten by dogs.’
2015 Plastic Surgery Statistics Report by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, 2015”
https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2015-plastic-surgery-statistics-report.pdf
[DogsBite.org]

And we already know about the prevalence of attacks involving serious injuries caused by a very few breeds.

[metmom]

My uncle (back in the 60’s) had a Cocker Spaniel that was the best dog ever. She was fantastic with kids. You could do anything and she would not react.

He wanted to get another one when she passed, but by even then the breed had been ruined and they were becoming short tempered and nippy due to inbreeding and poor breeding.

So that breed has been ruined that way as well in just as many years.

[kanawa]

Here’s a post to help get your investigation started...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3659321/posts?page=111#111