Posted on 09/03/2018 7:52:45 AM PDT by Optimist
> “no, I’m right. “
No, you’re a joke, a misinformed one.
> “do you really trust a crew of 21st century idiots to rewrite the Constitution?”
Ok Joker, who said ‘a crew of idiots’ was going to ‘rewrite’ the Constitution.
First, only an idiot would write such a thing.
The ‘crew’ that are working COS are highly honorable and capable state legislators and former high ranking officials such as Mark Levin.
I don’t think you and your idiot rant is going to convince anyone here that the people working in COS are ‘idiots’. By posting such, you are pissing into the wind. It’s embarrassing to see idiots call more capable people ‘idiots’.
Second, the COS legislators are not ‘rewriting the Constitution’. They are participating in a process to draft proposed amendments to the Constitution in accordance with provisions of the Constitution.
Your post that ‘idiots’ are ‘rewriting’ the Constitution shows you don’t know what you are ranting about.
Lastly, the group of legislators that is leading the way to amend the Constitution are MORE CAPABLE than the corrupt scum that infects many members in Congress today.
People that have done their homework and know what they are talking about will trust COS legislators before they would ever think of trusting members of Congress.
The COS effort will have a cleansing effect on Congress and will in time send many state legislators to Congress as a natural aftermath to their service and victory in reforming the country.
COS legislators are the backup that the Founders foresaw was needed. They will pass a BBA and term limits. Congress will NEVER do these themselves.
Ping to post #40.
For several years at FR, I’ve been an outspoken proponent of an Article V COS, and agree there is no guaranteed “good” outcome.
But, rather than sit by and watch, for instance, the federal court system do whatever its social justice conscience demands at the time, I would rather have the sovereign people make mistakes than watch an oligarchy enslave us.
Our overlords must understand we stand by to umpire their actions.
As for education, the uneducated will get an education in first principles in the months leading to a COS.
This nation's government is elected by 360 million sinners. What could go wrong?
Wonderful idea. But it would probably require 2/3 of the other states to agree that they had turned themselves into a hellhole. And, with about half of those 2/3 already being in hellhole state themselves, they won’t vote to revoke statehood for the fellow hellhole because they know they are next.
Depends on how you write the amendment.
No I don't know how to change the mind of a leftist. In fact, I don't think anyone knows and at this point it can only be assumed it's not possible. Unfortunately as evidenced by many of the posts in this thread its clear we have the same lack of thinking on the right as exists on the left.
This is an utterly ignorant statement.
Can you explain why these same 21st century idiots have not gotten rid of the 2nd amendment already? Why are they waiting for a Convention of states? Why would they not have done this when Obama was president and they controlled the congress? Why did they not amend the constitution and remove the second amendment when they had the chance just as recently as the Obama administration?
You are right! because the states must ratify the amendment and that is a very high bar indeed.
However that does NOT change with a convention of states. The convention is only for PROPOSING amendments. The amendments themselves still have to be ratified by the states so there is no more chance of amending the Constitution to eliminate the 2nd amendment with a COS then there is if congress proposes the amendment.
In other words, we have nothing more to worry about with the 2nd amendment using a COS than we do if the dems control congress and that holds true of any proposed amendment. The COS is only for proposing amendments. Our congress is not going to propose a balanced budget amendment so we will never get one unless the states convene a COS and first propose the amendment. Once proposed then there is a chance the states will ratify the amendment and congress will have to work within a balanced budget.
I agree. I am not in favor of A5/COS: opportunity for disaster.
I defer, and refer all, to Publius Huldah on this and on Mark Levin.
Baseline budgeting.
Whatever the Convention of States can do, it cannot and will not get anywhere near dismantling the 80%+, $3 trillion + unconstitutional portion of the feds which by definition is what has to happen for us to recover our Free Constitutional Republic.
Unfortunately, the states have turned up basically chicken sh#t because the weak-kneed governors are too worried about losing their beloved federal aid to think about overturning and defeating federal tyranny. NOT ONE STATE will stand up to the feds and risk their precious federal aid to which they have a craving and dependence like a drug addiction.
Fight the battle for the repeal of the 17th Amendment. Great. May be even necessary, dunno, but certainly not sufficient, not for the recovery we MUST achieve.
One thing is certain - whatever we attempt outside of God’s help, it simply isn’t going to happen.
Where's the constitutional provision for that?
Not that that is the reason for cowardly state politics.
The states have turned up basically chicken sh#t because the weak-kneed governors are too worried about losing their beloved federal aid to think about overturning and defeating federal tyranny. NOT ONE STATE will stand up to the feds and risk their precious federal aid to which they have a craving and dependence like a drug addiction.
All a deliberate result of the decrepit and mostly unconstitutional and, therefore, illegal feds.
Whatever the Convention of States can do, it cannot and will not get anywhere near dismantling the 80%+, $3 trillion + unconstitutional portion of the feds which by definition is what has to happen for us to recover our Free Constitutional Republic.
Fight the battle for the repeal of the 17th Amendment. Great. May be even necessary, dunno, but certainly not sufficient, not for the recovery we MUST achieve.
One thing is certain - whatever defeat of tyranny and/or victory for freedom we attempt outside of God’s help will fail.
In 1865, ten southern states were rolled into five military districts. A state could reclaim its statehood by ratifying the three new amendments to the Constitution and writing a new state constitution acceptable to Congress.
The South failed to show it had validity in seceding from the Union, valid secession most clearly expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
So the Union was dealing with basically outlaw states and making provision for them to return.
But your statement seems to express more of a sentiment that allows Congress to simply kick out a state it doesn’t like. Sounds like more tyranny to me.
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This is insanity squared!
No provision for limitation exists.
There is nothing wrong with the constitution. All problems stem from ignoring the constitution.
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