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There May Soon Be Three Internets. America’s Won’t Necessarily Be the Best.
New York Times ^ | 10/18/2018 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 12/24/2018 10:56:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In September, Eric Schmidt, the former Google chief executive and Alphabet chairman, said that in the next 10 to 15 years, the internet would most likely be split in two — one internet led by China and one internet led by the United States.

Mr. Schmidt, speaking at a private event hosted by a venture capital firm, did not seem to seriously entertain the possibility that the internet would remain global. He’s correct to rule out that possibility — if anything, the flaw in Mr. Schmidt’s thinking is that he too quickly dismisses the European internet that is coalescing around the European Union’s ever-heightening regulation of technology platforms. All signs point to a future with three internets.

The received wisdom was once that a unified, unbounded web promoted democracy through the free flow of information. Things don’t seem quite so simple anymore. China’s tight control of the internet within its borders continues to tamp down talk of democracy, and an increasingly sophisticated system of digital surveillance plays a major role in human rights abuses, such as the persecution of the Uighurs. We’ve also seen the dark side to connecting people to one another — as illustrated by how misinformation on social media played a significant role in the violence in Myanmar.

There’s a world of difference between the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation, known commonly as G.D.P.R., and China’s technologically enforced censorship regime, often dubbed “the Great Firewall.” But all three spheres — Europe, America and China — are generating sets of rules, regulations and norms that are beginning to rub up against one another. What’s more, the actual physical location of data has increasingly become separated by region, with data confined to data centers inside the borders of countries with data localization laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: 5g; china; eussr; fourthreich; huawei; internet; redchina
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1 posted on 12/24/2018 10:56:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Among other stupid things dumb jackass Obama did, giving up control of the internet was one of the biggest.


2 posted on 12/24/2018 10:58:56 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: SeekAndFind

that’s certainly good news for syndicates like google.


3 posted on 12/24/2018 11:00:12 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: kaehurowing

You’re right. Obama was helping the Chinese on that one...

Here’s some good news... something we’re doing right:

https://www.apnews.com/80749f2dd5a84bb49b7aceb1a4c43b8e

Idaho lab protects US infrastructure from cyber attacks
By KEITH RIDLER


4 posted on 12/24/2018 11:01:09 AM PST by GOPJ (TERM LIMIT DC SWAMP BUREAUCRATS - a permanent un-elected ruling class is a threat to freedom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can’t ‘give up the internet’. If other groups want to make their own, it will happen regardless of our wishes.


5 posted on 12/24/2018 11:04:26 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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Chinese one will prolly have less censorship


6 posted on 12/24/2018 11:05:11 AM PST by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: SeekAndFind

Netflix internet, porn internet, and regular internet.


7 posted on 12/24/2018 11:07:09 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is not an issue.

For any of us in the US.


8 posted on 12/24/2018 11:08:13 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Wonder how easy it would be to clandestinely bridge the Chinese network with the US network. Wonder how regulated and controlled our network will be, too. All in the name of our safety.


9 posted on 12/24/2018 11:10:33 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: SeekAndFind

Shudder to think how the Old Gray Statist Slut would define the “best internet”.


10 posted on 12/24/2018 11:10:45 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: bigbob

DNS can do a pretty good job of controlling this.


11 posted on 12/24/2018 11:12:22 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: SeekAndFind

China’s Net goes nowhere, fast. The EU’s Net has a little more air, but goes down a year later. Our Net is controlled by Google, MS and NSA, so it’s safe from collapsing. Heh.


12 posted on 12/24/2018 11:12:40 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: carriage_hill

Unless you don’t trust these entities. Especially Google. The scary thing is that any control will not be obvious to the typical user - re: shadow banning websites.


13 posted on 12/24/2018 11:15:40 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Still Thinking

I caught that, too. They probably think the “best internet” is where Communists monitor the ‘Net and de-platform those pesky Trump supporters.


14 posted on 12/24/2018 11:16:58 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: bigbob

Also, which one will get priority. There is only one wire feeding the home. Probably the same with the upstream network. Switching would have to be done based on content.


15 posted on 12/24/2018 11:20:09 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: SeekAndFind

Heh, doesn’t take much to figure out why the NYT dorks might consider Europistan or China’s net to be better, now does it?


16 posted on 12/24/2018 11:25:10 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't think it's entirely cynical to note that the editorial board of the NYT, one of the originators and most enthusiastic practitioners of fake and manipulative "news" and a poster child for corporatism in media, appear alarmed at the notion that somebody else might be doing it as well and possibly better. These aren't sheepdogs, they're coyotes worried about competition from the wolves.

There isn't a single one of the freedoms mentioned in this piece that the editorial board of the NYT hasn't already suborned, subverted, twisted, misrepresented, or evaded already. This is, recall, the board who hired that avatar of racism and misandry Sarah Jeong to play in this very cyber arena. It's purely hypocritical to hear them deplore the suppression of the Uighurs and defend and promote someone who has called for the public castration of white men by lottery. The only "freedom" in question here is their own, to do anything they want to anyone they want. So please, spare us the viewing with alarm.

17 posted on 12/24/2018 11:28:28 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

5G is coming, 100x the wireless speed we have today, not possible without a Trump administration

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-355136A1.pdf

“An Accenture study pegs 5G’s potential at 3 million new jobs, $275 billion in private investment, and $500 billion in new economic growth.”


18 posted on 12/24/2018 11:36:04 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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RE: 5G is coming, 100x the wireless speed we have today, not possible without a Trump administration

The whole 5G framework can be divided into two key technology: 1) the modem chipset and 2) router infrastructure.

On one hand, the modem chipset is installed in your phones and other sensors that need to be connected to the Internet.

The current 5G modem chipset patent (IP) is held by:

Huawei (China), Qualcomm (US), Samsung (Korea), MediaTek (Taiwan), Intel (US), Apple (US) (rumoured).
On the other hand, the router infrastructure is placed in base stations all over the buildings and towers. It directly talks to the 5G modem in your mobile phones and translates your 5G requests to the Internet.

The current 5G router patent (IP) is held by:

Huawei (China), Nokia (Finland), Ericsson (Sweden), ZTE (China) Surprise Hah?, Cisco (US), Samsung (Korea).

There are two hidden traps from this 5G technology that other people might not tell you:

The router and the modem chipset must be compatible, and therefore a standard must be settled in order for them to talk.

The modem chipset is deeply coupled into the system on a single chip with CPU and GPUs. The system is normally shipped as a package.

If you hold the 5G modem IP in a SOC (System-on-chip), you can also bind your CPU and GPU IP in a package. That means whoever controls the 5G IP would also control the whole market of the CPU and GPU intellectual property. If you hold the 5G router standard, you can also control the modem standard and then control the whole system standard.

For example, if the US were to allow Huawei to sell its 5G router devices to Verizon or AT&T, then Huawei could make all of its base stations to only support its own modem standard. Then you could end up with the whole system package delivered by Huawei as well. Then the US might have to buy more devices made by Huawei in order to use 5G.

Huawei gets the full cultivation in the Chinese market and does not fear the US government. It never intends to go to the US market as well. What it focuses on is the adoption in China and the rest of third-world countries.

The Chinese government said it would perform nationwide 5G adoption using Huawei technology around March 2019. Please note that this is a market of 1.4 billion people that is US population and Europe population combined. And the Chinese government is pushing this really hard, unlike the US stuck in legislation as you can imagine.


19 posted on 12/24/2018 11:55:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: carriage_hill

RE: China’s Net goes nowhere, fast.

Let’s not be too cocky. See post #19 above.


20 posted on 12/24/2018 11:56:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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