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Robert E. Lee statue removed from Dallas park sells for $1.4M after bidding war
Fox News ^ | 06/06/2019 | Stephen Sorace

Posted on 06/06/2019 9:42:26 AM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai
Iconoclasm Spasm

Some Thoughts on the Destruction of Statues of Confederate War Heroes

My consistent reaction over time to the destruction of statues of Confederate generals has been to regard them as spasms of the mob and the product of cultish ideology. More particularly in the instances of Robert E Lee or Nathan Bedford Forrest, the desecrations are the product of a generation of miss education

Historically, they have a broader meaning and a sinister impulse. The French Revolution stands as an example of iconoclasm as a tool of social control rather than a mere expression of ideological purity.

Statues are icons and for millennia icons have stood in the place of written language. They are a visible, physical symbol of what is to be respected, venerated or even worshiped. Often after an episode of iconoclastic destruction new icons are erected to represent the new values to be respected, venerated or worshiped.

So in the French Revolution that we saw the deliberate destruction of churches as well as the physical bodies of priests and nuns, we saw the decapitation of the statues of Kings along the façade of Notre Dame we saw the decapitation of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. All this was part of the rabid anticlericalism of the French Revolution. But keep in mind, the destruction of religious icons in the course of the French Revolution was not limited to the initial adrenaline upheaval but extended for four years when one might have expected passions to have cooled.

Not surprisingly, after Robespierre had led the way in a blood spasm of murder and iconoclasm, he turned about and erected a new icon toward a supreme being and summoned the people to a festival. Shortly thereafter he was guillotined.

Robespierre had erected a new icon to represent a new supreme being who was to be celebrated, venerated or even worshiped. Napoleon came along and was not in doubt about what should be the object of iconic worship; statues of Napoleon together with paintings exaggerating his Imperial magnificence became abundant. The phrase, the man on horseback, suggests statues of Napoleon. Not coincidentally, the more the cult of Napoleon grew, the more intrusive waxed his secret police.

The point is that the iconoclasm unleashed by the storming of the Bastille, a solid fortress torn down in a fit of iconoclasm, was a tool of the revolution, no less than the propaganda of Goebbels served the ideology of Nazism. The Jacobins knew that the icons of their ideology must supplant those of the ancient regime so they changed the calendar, renamed the months and supplanted every icon of the ancient regime they could lay their hands on.

Czar Nicholas of Russia and his family learned to their sorrow, just as Louis XVI and Marie Annette learned to their sorrow, that living human bodies are also seen as icons that must be destroyed if the ideology they represent is to be successfully supplanted. Small wonder that figures of dead Confederate generals must also be executed.

Quite often the iconoclasm assumes the aura of religious indignation. That is the sort of iconoclasm we have seen when the Taliban smote graven images into bits but hopefully not out of history. We saw much the same during the Protestant Reformation among the nonconformist sects who effaced religious images from church walls. These examples are illustrative of an impulse to destroy an icon not just because its presence is repugnant but because the absence of an icon is needed to conform to the theology of Islam or nonconformist sects. We are reminded that The 30 Years War was one of the worst holocausts to be visited on Europe. The German town whence my ancestor left for America today describes the carnage as worse than that experienced during the second world war.

The French Revolution justified its iconoclasm by declaring it stood for liberty, equality, fraternity all certainly enlightened impulses. But regicide or the murder of priests and nuns can hardly be described as noble. The Taliban justify their iconoclasm because it obeys the diktat of Allah but they proffered the same justification when they severed the heads of women and children.

When 21st-century Talibans smash Confederate icons, they are preening their virtue for all the world to see that they themselves are not racists. They will not admit the humanity of the men whose effigies they destroy. They must make way for a whole new reality and they must sweep away historical reality to do so. The destruction of Confederate statues is not just a reaction but also a tool for social control.

God help us if the tearing down of 19th century men evolves into the destruction of 21st-century men. History tells us the temptation for the iconoclasts to indulge their ideology in blood and murder is very real.


21 posted on 06/06/2019 11:18:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: Olog-hai

Texas has no law to prevent the removal of historic statues and monuments? Get with it Cowboys!


22 posted on 06/06/2019 11:27:36 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Olog-hai

Regardless of what side you would have been on
Robert Lee was a real man and that is what irks
the uni sex men on the left.


23 posted on 06/06/2019 11:39:14 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: 4yearlurker
10 uh-oh. Look for more of this. There's gold in removing them thar confederate statues!


24 posted on 06/06/2019 11:49:48 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Olog-hai

Democrats on these city councils really suck.


25 posted on 06/06/2019 11:50:12 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: wildcard_redneck

The best way to counter the left on this is to buy private property in public places where as many people as possible can/will see and erect Confederate statues.

There is one in Tennessee of Forrest I believe on the side on the interstate that’s on private property, and the liberal city council impotently rages about it all the time but can’t do anything but complain since it’s on private property.


26 posted on 06/06/2019 11:52:56 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: 9422WMR

You know, I I’d been running Dallas and these PCdiots had complained my response would have been to dedicate a second monument with Kipling’s Dane Geld inscribed thereon just opposite of Lee.

Dane Geld by Kipling:

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ‘em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: —
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: —

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!”


27 posted on 06/06/2019 12:45:57 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Bommer

I kid you not but some years ago, can’t say if it’s still true but it may be, I noticed that not only were the Cowboys not in Dallas the Cowboy’s pro stores ringed Dallas but none were actually IN DALLAS.

That said, I do believe we need State laws against cities giving these deals for the billionaires to build sports palaces, as well as other businesses. Let the locals attract businesses by bring good places to have a business or to raise families where everyone has lower taxes!


28 posted on 06/06/2019 12:50:52 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Trump20162020

The whole DNC really suck ... even when they’re blowing.


29 posted on 06/06/2019 12:53:56 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: rockrr

“All we have around here are statues to commies like lenin.”

Mayor Butty-gig is on record for having said removing all the statues of Thomas Jefferson is “the right thing to do.”

I’m waiting for someone to ask him if he feels replacing every Jefferson with a Lenin statue would be “the right thing to do.”

Because, after all, that’s what the people to whom he is pandering for votes would want. Right?

Seriously, if I get a chance to attend one of his campaign events, I WILL ask, with cameras rolling.

If I can’t, I hope others read this & follow through.


30 posted on 06/06/2019 4:20:28 PM PDT by mumblypeg (I've seen the future, brother. It is murder. --L. Cohen)
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