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To: livius
I'm not sure if we should rely much on that 2% figure. With china's fake numbers mortality is 12% (don't look now but they've adjusted it to 9% today how lovely), but for ICU it's 65% per the latest Lancet study Feb 24. Then consider Iran - 12 cases 12 deaths - Persians aren't asians. Even smoking as a major factor could be questioned. Secondary bacterial overload damaging the heart, kidney, liver, lung and possibly stomach and intestines, seems just as culpable in mortality. And then there's the 'jelly like substance' aside from mucus found in the lungs (mentioned in another study) whatever that could be -but that's not something that is found in smokers lung, at least described that way. There's also the question of whether a hemopurifier such as used in ebola cases was employed in treatment either here or in China and how that could affect outcomes?

I do agree panic can do more damage than the disease. Just look at the psychotic behavior shown in China over the last 6 weeks towards the infected. I've been posting as many of those video clips as I can ferret out. Ukraine's response to a few busses was completely unhinged, too. We've even seen it in Calif, with sanctuary Costa Mesa folks who have no problem with illegals who may carry disease into their community (but allows them to wear shiny virtue-signaling badges), yet actually got a court order to prevent US citizen patients from being locked in a secure building for 14 days. Otoh, lulling folks into a sense of false security by discounting the disease as a 2percenter or old people problem or smoker problem can cause just as much damage. I'd much rather see people turn into clean-niks, carrying around a personal bar of soap to wash their hands and calling out the disgusting street spitters. :)

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474 posted on 02/25/2020 12:54:27 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: blueplum

I agree. We don’t have enough reliable information to really assess this, particularly not people like us, doing it second-hand on the Internet. But even in the worst case, panic is not going to help anybody.

Panicking won’t save anybody’s life and will make the whole thing harder to manage (in the worst case scenario). Actually, even in the best case scenario (basic flu with average death rate), panicking will make it harder to manage.

A little reasonable preparation - Vitamin C and zinc, which actually does help the immune system, and sanitation. I went and ordered several bottles and sprays of hand sanitizer, since they were already sold out at my local stores - and now I’m looking for a source for good masks (make sure they go up high on the cheeks and don’t let in a lot of air) since even the crummy masks are sold out locally. So obviously people beat me to the prep!

And if they have to shut down DC for awhile and those folks have to “work” at home and can’t get together to plot in person, that’s actually all for the good.


486 posted on 02/25/2020 1:53:42 PM PST by livius
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To: blueplum

Current mortality rates of modern, honest countries are SK 1.023%, IT 3.106%, JP 0.588%, HK 2.381%

Approx 75% of of remaining cases are not considered “recovered” yet. Japan low percentage is probably because most cases were that cruise ship and many were sent back to their homeland(they didn’t die here, doesn’t count)

naa, not the flu

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500 posted on 02/25/2020 4:58:54 PM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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