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To: SeekAndFind

I believe that others have already debunked Dr. Vladimir Zelenko.

I checked on PubMed, the database of medical research articles. He has no publications. Any physician who thinks he has success in treating a condition can publish a case study, which is not a controlled study result, but an invitation for others to do further research.

There are currently 65 studies registered at www.clinicaltrials.gov for the investigation of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine as potential treatment for Covid-19. Dr. Zelenko is not an author of any of those studies. Nor is he an author on any of the 1,590 registered Covid-19 studies.

In other words, he is saying a lot, maybe to drive more patients to his practice (always follow the money). But he has no data to back up his claims. He might as well claim that his chicken soup regimen is responsible for the survival of 93% of his Covid-19 patients. Oh wait—93% of Covid-19 patients already survive.


7 posted on 05/19/2020 7:00:37 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: exDemMom
ExDM.

Watch the video w/in post 8.

You tell me after watching it that he is a charlatan.

2 died out of 405 using his protocol that is .004 or 4 thousanths in Machine Shop Talk.

The Link Again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7zU94gA84Q

9 posted on 05/19/2020 7:07:35 AM PDT by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Songs of Angry Men!")
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To: exDemMom

RE: I checked on PubMed, the database of medical research articles. He has no publications. Any physician who thinks he has success in treating a condition can publish a case study, which is not a controlled study result, but an invitation for others to do further research.

There are two kinds of doctors, those like Fauci who have the time and money to do clinical trials, the double blind type that requires volunteers and takes months to complete, then requires you to have them peer reviewed in a medical journal, which will of course take months to be published.

Then those who are in the so-called BATTLEFIELD, who have to use what they have at their disposal to treat patients AS SOON AS THEY CAN since it is a matter of life and death.

Dr. Zelenko belongs to the latter kind. And he does not even claim credit or originality for what he is doing. He cites past PUBLISHED studies made by doctors in China, South Korea and most recently in Marseille, France by Dr. Didier Raoult and his team. He also cites past studies he read in medical journals.

To make a long story short — WE ARE NOT LIVING IN NORMAL TIMES. If a doctor sees evidence in the past that it has worked, and he sees good reason to try it and his patients trust him enough to try it, I see no reason why it can’t be tried. What is the alternative?

As for Zelenko’s having no published studies, WHY DOES HE HAVE TO PUBLISH ANYTHING? AS A DOCTOR, HE HAS ENOUGH PATIENTS TO KEEP HIS DAY BUSY. What he can do is REFER to published studies in the past.

I enumerate some for you here:

1) Hydroxychloroquine application is associated with a decreased mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19 | medRxiv

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v1

2) Early treatment of COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: A retrospective analysis of 1061 cases in Marseille, France

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199729/

3) Hydroxychloroquine reduces viral load in COVID-19 patients

https://www.virology.ws/2020/03/19/hydroxychloroquine-reduces-viral-load-and-symptoms-in-covid-19-patients/

As for inviting others to do further research, Dr. Zelenko is doing JUST THAT.

The prestigious St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn, NY is launching a study using essentially Zelenko’s cocktail. On newly symptomatic patients with underlying conditions, Hydroxychloroquine and zinc will be given to all of them.

This study is IN COOPERATION and IN CONSULTATION with Dr. Zelenko himself.


12 posted on 05/19/2020 7:26:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: exDemMom

You are so wrong about Dr. Zelenko and his treatment for COVID-19. Do your homework.


13 posted on 05/19/2020 7:28:42 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: exDemMom

“I believe that others have already debunked Dr. Vladimir Zelenko.”
OK, whom ? And agenda maybe ?

“He has no publications.”
Is it conceivable to you that possibly a physician only seeks to practice ?


15 posted on 05/19/2020 7:40:36 AM PDT by A strike (" Was that wrong? Should I not have done this? " - Costanza)
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To: exDemMom
RE: I believe that others have already debunked Dr. Vladimir Zelenko.

And the debunkers have themselves been debunked. Read just one of the COGENT responses to these debunkers who cite so-called studies that claim to have "proven" ( note the quotes ) the uselessness or danger of using Hydroxycholoroquine:

Five Problems With the Study That Claims 'More Deaths' From Treating Coronavirus With Hydroxychloroquine

There's more where they come from.
16 posted on 05/19/2020 7:58:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: exDemMom

YOU, are so misinformed, I feel sorry for you.

Here on FR is probably the best place for all info “hydroxychloroquine”.

Yet, you make this ridiculous attack on Dr Zelenko. Have you watched ALL his videos on hydroxychloroquine? Let me answer for you... NO you haven’t!

His study IS in the process of being published shortly. You would know that had you watched his videos.

Dr. Zelenko has not been “debunked” by anyone! Dr. Zelenko (and many others) are HEROES saving their patients lives.

In your statement you did the liberal media tactic of conflating chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. WHY?

Dr. Zelenko is NOT prescribing chloroquine! Why bring it up?

Again I’ll give you your answer. Because chloroquine (a DIFFERENT drug) has different, more severe and just plain more side effects than hydroxychloroquine. So by lumping them together you attach the more negative side effects of one with the other just to damage the image of hydroxychloroquine.

Decades of use of hydroxychloroquine by MILLIONS of people, to treat and prevent Malaria, taken over long periods of time to treat Lupus (called a wonder drug by Lupus sufferers) and rheumatoid arthritis with nearly ZERO serious side effects should be PROOF enough that hydroxychloroquine is an amazing drug treating patients and SAVING LIVES!

What is your AGENDA, EXdem? Ex? are you sure?


20 posted on 05/19/2020 10:27:06 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: exDemMom

He hasn’t at all been debunked.

If the VA can send out a retrospective study the same is effectively done by Dr. Zelenko because the death rate among vulnerable populations has been published and that is in effect the control group whereas his rates from his vulnerable patients is the experimental group and his numbers are good.

Based on that alone our country should be making HCQ/Zinc available to doctors at the lowest level, that is for outpatients, such as at an urgent care facility. And the President should be instructing people to go to those facilities as soon as they feel the described symptoms of this virus.

Below is an English translation of a concluding paragraph from France about a report from Marseille.

http://www.francesoir.fr/efficacite-des-mesures-un-point-de-vue-factuel-marseille-30-fois-moins-de-chance-de-mourir-du-covid

Comparison of mortality rates by region and treatment with those of Germany
As of May 16, 2020, the national mortality rate was 21.6% (ratio of deaths to positive tested).

When we now look at the treatments used and here the data are at the level of the city of Marseille. The mortality rate, all positive people, all hospitals combined, is 3.1%. This rate increases to 8.6% for people who have not received the HCQ and AZ treatment. What is interesting to note is that this rate is 0.5% for patients who have received HCQ and AZ treatment.
For the record, the death rate in Germany is 4.5%.
In Marseille, the mortality rate is lower than that of Germany, probably because massive screening and early treatment have an ESSENTIAL effect.


21 posted on 05/19/2020 11:35:57 PM PDT by Piers
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