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Was the COVID-19 Test Meant to Detect a Virus?
undercoverdc.com ^ | April 7, 2020 | Cella Farber

Posted on 06/30/2020 2:33:56 PM PDT by Auntie Mame

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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

And measles, mumps, scarlet fever, yellow fever, typhoid, tuberculosis, tetanus, influenza, and the wheels on the bus go ‘round and ‘round.


21 posted on 06/30/2020 5:01:16 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: NorthWoody
She incorrectly spelled it “Mamie” though.

I know a gal who wanted to name her daughter Monique, the poor kid ended up actually being named Monquie.

Yep. She named her daughter monkey...

What an idiot, huh?

They're everywhere, and they vote...

22 posted on 06/30/2020 5:03:45 PM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: jeffc

I prefer the term “hammer-banned”. Or just “hammered”.


23 posted on 06/30/2020 5:05:46 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Auntie Mame

Excellent and thought-provoking article. Thank you.

One sentence jumped out at me:
...”We’re lost in a simulation, seeking to grab hold of “truth” and reality.”

That is how I’m experiencing life right now. My son said to me the other day “Ma, I think they screwed up the algorithm in this reality sequence, no one believes this one”.. We laughed..but not heartily or long.


24 posted on 06/30/2020 5:10:55 PM PDT by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: RockyTx

“.....What do we mean when we say somebody has ‘tested positive’...

“perhaps some kind FReeper would write down what the answer is.”

There’s a lot of excess verbiage in that article, so if one doesn’t read it all (or doesn’t really much understand it all) it’s easy to miss - but near the end one finds that’s the point of the article: we don’t really know what a positive test is.

I don’t know how much of the article you were able to follow, but here are some of the key things. We don’t really test for the virus per se; we test for segments of genetic material that indicate the presence of segments of proteins (supposedly) unique to the virus.

In order to detect that genetic material, we have to increase the amount present - we do that by a form of (for want of a better word) “molecular Xeroxing” called PCR. Every time you run a cycle in PCR, you double the amount of material present - for another crude analogy, recall the movie “Blow Up” where a guy kept increasing the size of a portion of a photograph until he could detect a particular detail.

For the COVID test, they have to do somewhere between 30 and 40 “doublings” in order to say they’ve detected evidence for the suspect proteins (and hence, presumably, the virus).

Problem #1: it doesn’t seem to be clear how many doublings are a reliable indicator for a positive test, and moreover, whether everybody is using the same standard - what might be a negative result in country A could be a positive result in country B.

Problem #2: it’s not clear why any particular number of doublings should be the threshold for a positive test. Why should no detectable material after 34 doublings be negative, and some detectable material after 35 doublings be positive?

Problem #3: You have to accept that the nucleic acid segments targeted as indicators of COVID-19 proteins really are unique to that virus and that virus only. (I have no idea how reasonable an assumption that is - but they are targeting only a piece of the protein structure, not the entire thing, and lots of these viruses have somewhat related proteins).

Problem #4: unstated in the article, but well-known in the business - PCR is really sensitive to accidental contamination - a little speck on you “original photograph” can become a giant blob if you enlarge it enough times.


25 posted on 06/30/2020 5:35:28 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: knarf

refract
verb: make something change direction when it enters at an angle.
“the rays of light are refracted by the material of the lens”

You mean, “Don’t look there, look here”?


26 posted on 06/30/2020 6:15:19 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I believe it.


27 posted on 06/30/2020 6:16:26 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg
Wow, that was a fascinating read... I would have loved to meet the creator of the PCR and pick his brain. What a shame.

I looked up Kary Mullis up and was terribly disappointed to see he died just recently (2019) at the age of 74, per Wikipedia.

28 posted on 06/30/2020 6:21:12 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: antidisestablishment

Great response. Thank you.


29 posted on 06/30/2020 6:22:54 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Grampa Dave

You get it, Grampa, you really get it.


30 posted on 06/30/2020 6:23:55 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Stosh

Wow. Excellent breakdown. You must be a teacher, you made it all so clear. Thank you.


31 posted on 06/30/2020 6:26:45 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I have seen the second item you cite several places, but am not familiar with the first. True? The second item had documentation to support it...nothing would surprise me.


32 posted on 06/30/2020 6:38:03 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Montaignes Cat

Indeed.


33 posted on 06/30/2020 6:44:48 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Auntie Mame
Kerry makes some good points, but, RT-PCR was the only way to detect the presence of Covid initially. We weren't going to be able to develop a sensitive and accurate antibody test quickly. We weren't going to ‘culture’ virus from patients.

Yes, the presence of Covid sequences doesn't necessarily translate into the presence of viable viral particles, but it does document the presence of Covid sequences. It was the best we could do early on.

34 posted on 06/30/2020 6:56:47 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Auntie Mame

40+ years making my living with a piece of chalk - you’re welcome. And thanks for the original post - it was an intriguing article.


35 posted on 06/30/2020 7:30:54 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Auntie Mame

This is the kind of stuff people with schizotypal personality disorder ramble on about. Not the same as schizoid, not the same as schizophrenic. One day spouting off about viruses, the next about Bigfoot.


36 posted on 06/30/2020 7:44:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Stosh

Sounds its kind of like, but different from growing bacteria to determine what kind of urinary infection it is since you are working with invisible parts of virons instead of much larger visible (under a microscope) bacteria?


37 posted on 06/30/2020 8:04:38 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Auntie Mame

exactly


38 posted on 06/30/2020 9:03:58 PM PDT by knarf
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To: who knows what evil?

In the post I said I don’t know if it’s true. Could be an internet urban legend. It seems logical that skeptical nurses might try to test the system; I think that’s something I would do.

Bottom line: There’s a lot of bullsh!t going on to inflate number and to put fear in the hearts of Americans. We KNOW FOR SURE we can’t trust the NIH and CDC data — and anything Fauci has his grimy hands in.


39 posted on 07/01/2020 3:53:48 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Fauci and China can KMA.)
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