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To: Mom MD
you are right. When we have someone in the hospital that can’t breathe we put them on their stomach unmonitored with a knee on their neck. That is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard

So the article is wrong? Proning isn't a way to help patients who cannot breathe? Was not George Floyd in the optimal position for breathing? And by the way his knee was NOT in place that would interfere with breathing.

4 posted on 07/20/2020 3:37:20 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"So the article is wrong? Proning isn't a way to help patients who cannot breathe?"

There are specific circumstances where putting someone on their stomach can be safe and helpful. However, pretty much every police training manual and instructor in the country states that once you have cuffs on a suspect, you are to immediately put them in a neutral (e.g. sitting) or standing position. This is for the safety of the suspect. This was a hard lesson learned after people with all sorts of medical conditions died after being left laying face-down while handcuffed.

In exactly zero situations are police instructed to place a knee on someone's neck after handcuffs are on. In 99% of cases, police are told to use a knee on the back of the shoulder DURING arrest while gaining control over the suspect. A knee on the neck gives ZERO additional mechanical advantage over having one on the neck, but has HUGE risks from a medical perspective. Regardless of where the knee was placed during arrest, it comes OFF the suspect once they are in handcuffs and the suspect is placed into a medically safe position.

Why? So they don't die in custody. Talk to police training instructors before posting stuff like this. They'll explain it better than I can.

14 posted on 07/20/2020 3:45:55 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: DouglasKC

depends on the reason for difficulty breathing. for a limited number of things it can be helpful for most not so much


55 posted on 07/20/2020 5:11:05 PM PDT by Mom MD
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