TWA 800: 25 Years of Deep State Deception

American Thinker.com ^ | July 14, 2021 | Jack Cashill

[MikeSteelBe]

There’s a whole shipful of sailors who could come forward.

You are certainly correct there. But why would a terrorist do that and not take credit? No terror group came forward, either.

[MikeSteelBe]

Billy had to make all of us feel safe to win re election. Can we talk about the Oklahoma courthouse bombing now?

John Doe #2, who instantly fell off the radar, was an Iraqi national who was pulling Mcveigh's strings.

Muslim terrorists do not fit the narrative, but white boys do.

[melancholy]

“1408 and 1417 are the muslim years, as measured starting when mohammad got kicked out of Mecca, and took his marbles (the few he had left) and founded the first all muslim community.“

LOL! In Arabic they call their years since Mohammed’s “EMIGRATION” from Mecca to Medina. They ain’t using your ‘vulgar’ language! 😂😂

Now, here’s a new calendar to celebrate and count immigration in bidet time:

This year is the year 01 in the bidet calendar! No confusion here, it’s the 1 st immigration year in the bidet calendar.

At last we resolved everything in three languages, English, Arabic and Chinese! 😤😤

Cheers! 🍺🍺

[Hulka]

You are correct.

And loss of engine control results in various responses, from any number of power settings. There is no immediate winding down, as long as the engines are receiving fuel they are generating thrust.

Depends on many factors, not the least of which was power setting at time of loss of signal.

[PghBaldy]

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/ Tonight in first half of show, Jack Cashill on to discuss TWA800 crash

[Swordmaker]

I don't believe that is true for the 747-100. (The flight 800 747 was built in 1971.) I don't think that what you have written is true until the 747-400 variant, which wasn't introduced until 1989, some 19 years after the original -100 model. However, I am not an aircraft mechanic so I may be wrong.

I am not an aircraft mechanic either, but my father started out as a civilian aircraft mechanic for the USAF, and later became a technical writer for the Air Force in charge of writing many technical manuals for many military aircraft, and until his retirement he had been involved with many crash investigations for the USAF. He followed the TWA-800 case closely until his death. We discussed it frequently. I read everything published on TWA-800.

Boeing testified that was indeed the facts before the NTSB TWA-800 technical hearings for this specific airframe 747-100 in particular which had undergone some avionics and engine upgrades at the TWA facilities in the early-90s to continue flying with TWA’s fleet.. although I do not recall if that was one of the upgrades done then.

[Swordmaker]

Re: the engines still producing thrust.

The NTSB cartoon had the aircraft gaining 1,600 to 1,700 feet of altitude in just 8 seconds. The CIA cartoon claimed it gained 3,200 to 3,400 feet of altitude in those same 8 seconds. They needed to have the plane climb this fast to be able to say the eye witnesses mistook the post-wing-tank-explosion burning aircraft zoom climb was somehow the exhaust trail of the rapidly rising missile they thought they saw, all 206 of them.

There is a vast technical problem with this scenario, aside from ignoring Boeing assertion under oath the engines of a noseless 747, without control signals, revert to idle.

• 1st: Recall this aircraft had just taken-off for a trans-Atlantic flight and except for its center-wing-tank, all other fuel tank were full. It had 230 passengers and luggage. It was heavily loaded.
• 2nd: ignoring the reversion to idle, assuming it did not occur, the thrust of the engines was set enough to overcome drag, plus add enough air speed to allow the plane to climb at ~1000 feet per minute.
• 3rd: in test flights of the 747, with optimum conditions, average cruising fuel loads, average loads, the maximum climb rate of the 747 at full throttle in ideal conditions is something like ~10,000 feet per minute but only if the plane is at 45% of total maximum take-off weight, I.e. an almost empty plane, sans passengers, luggage, and most of its fuel load. TWA-800 wasn’t.
• The higher the altitude, the slower the possible rate of climb due to the thinner atmosphere to provide lift.

With a full take-off load, flight 800, at ~14,000 ft. of altitude, a climb rate 6,500 to 7,500 feet per minute is probably max for a 747-100 at full throttle. . . but there was no one at the throttles to push them to full throttle position, in fact, the throttles were no longer connected to the plane, much less the engines.

Yet, just taking the lowest 1,600 foot gain in 8 seconds claimed by the NTSB, and calculating for per minute rate of climb, we find that whomever came up with that absurd scenario wants us to believe that noseless, uncontrolled, 747 zoom climbed at an amazing rate of 12,000 feet per minute! if we were to accept the CIA’s even more astonishing and absurd flight of fantasy, the doomed plane zoomed an absolutely astonishing rate of 24,000 feet per minute! even a rocket cannot change vector and velocity that fast.

As I said, we know almost to the second when the initiating event occurred and when the main fuselage of TWA-800 splashed down into the Atlantic Ocean off Long Island. The time between the two events is ~41 seconds. There are radar returns fixing the locations of the plane, triangulated by three different radars. We have those data showing location. There is literally ZERO time in those 41 seconds for any 8 seconds of climb to any altitude, whether it’s 1,600 or 3,200 feet, above the 13,800 foot altitude of the event that caused TWA-800 to eventually wind up in the Atlantic. I once calculated what time was required. IIRC, for 1,600 climb, even though it took eight seconds to climb there, it takes ~10.4 seconds to fall back to the starting altitude due to air resistance. This means 18.4 seconds would have to be added to the time in air before ballistic splash-in occurs. For the CIA scenario, 15.4 seconds are necessary to fall back to the initiating altitude, and a total of 23.4 seconds added to the 41 seconds before ocean impact. Neither of those times was what happened; ergo, no zoom climb.

What does account for those 41 seconds, as the Rude calculated, was the time for a parabolic ballistic fall with a terminal velocity given the aircraft’s original vectors, speed, altitude, assumed coefficient of drag, and prevailing wind vectors, etc. The Rude sailed to the calculated terminal arc location and, voilá, found the main body of the wreckage, engines, bodies, etc. Q.E.D. No zoom climb.

[DiogenesLamp]

History repeating itself with the Chinese releasing the virus?

Possibly, but only if the public sees it as deliberate, and I doubt they would. No one would want to believe a nation would deliberately unleash a deadly virus on themselves just so they could get at us.

As an accident, the public likely wouldn't be behind a war.

[OA5599]

I’m not debating whether or not the CIA animation is correct. I don’t have enough knowledge in the subject matter to say one way or another. (Although it is strange to me that there is any CIA involvement. Can’t explain that either.)

I’m just saying that the 747-100 through -300 series are in no way, shape or form fly-by-wire aircraft. The 747-400 introduced some modernization with its glass cockpit, but even still, it makes no sense that a loss of signal would make the engines go to idle. Imagine having an electrical glitch hundreds of miles from land. And now all your engines stop producing thrust. Not a great plan.

Then again, it makes no sense to design controls for an airplane to drive it straight into the ground if a single AoA sensor fails, yet Boeing managed to do it with the 737 MAX. So what do I know?

Also, my father too was in the USAF, and then later became an expert in the 747 as a civilian aircraft maintenance manager. He’s not around to ask these questions however.

[PghBaldy]

17 July was a holiday in Iraq. 17 July 1968 the Baath Party came to power.

[null and void]

Baath Party celebratory fireworks?

Could easily be...

[melancholy]

😜😜

[junkbond]

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