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Archaeologists suggest rock-cut cave was home of exiled Anglo-Saxon King
HeritageDaily ^ | July 15, 2021 | editors

Posted on 07/17/2021 9:30:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: Salamander

I used to know a guy who owned an old house, may have been a log cabin....he said it was a listed historical house. Forty or fifty miles west of DC in Virginia. If I remember right, he brought in electric for lighting, wood stove for heat and a gas cooker.

A jack of all trades. He had run a Charter boat out of someplace in Florida, a pilot of cargo jets out of Baltimore, a corporate VP who apparently was hired primarily to manage a major draw-down in a major defense contractor - as soon as everyone was gone, he was fired himself.


41 posted on 07/17/2021 1:12:11 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Born to Conserve
First thing I would do is sit there and think about where the barn used to be, the smoke house, the dump, the well, the root cellar — things that every farmhouse had.

Your screenname fits like a (work)glove!

42 posted on 07/17/2021 2:49:33 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." —Bob Dylan)
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To: tet68

No central heating. Take a pass.


43 posted on 07/17/2021 3:21:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: tet68

What a deal won’t last buy now.


44 posted on 07/18/2021 7:26:31 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe the Baggins family acquired the property for a time.


45 posted on 07/18/2021 7:29:06 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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Insert nasty, ignorant, leftist / black racist slanders regarding Whites in caves here.


46 posted on 07/18/2021 8:21:22 AM PDT by PhineasSpear (PhineasSpear)
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To: jimtorr

When I moved here in 1990, after ALL those years, there was a couple of ancient silk-wrapped electric lines to which a million extension cords ran, NO indoor plumbing [outhouse hell] and a hand pump sticking up through the floor beside the “kitchen sink”.

There was a dry stone cistern that we had to pay to fill every two weeks and the only thing to heat the kitchen/cook on was a huge Oriole cookstove.

I had to heat buckets of water and dump it into a galvanized cow tub to take a bath.

Lived like that for two years, here.

The old part of the house had a 2 1/2 story huge brick chimney and woodstove literally built right on the middle of the living room floor with no jacks under it.

When we tore it down, you could lay a pop can in one corner of the room and it would roll like hell across the floor to the dip in the middle and was going so fast, it kept rolling to the opposite corner.

Bizarrely, the chimney was FULL of old snuff tins.
Hundreds of them.
No idea what was up with that.

The bricks [and “plaster” on the walls, covered with that wretched calcimine “paint”] were mud and cow hair.
18th century “technology”.

Then, somewhere in the past, somebody went stupid and dug out a “root cellar” for themselves, when the house is cedar logs literally sitting on big rocks as a “foundation”.

Talk about a dumb move.

When we started to try and “modernize” it some, we found a trap door in the kitchen floor and it was right over a dried out well about 15 feet deep.
There was a sheet of plywood over it and my stupid ex left the plywood off one night.
We came back the next day and a rabbit had fallen in.

So he and his brothers lowered me down on a 5 gallon spackle buckle with a flashlight to save the bunny.

I was slowly twirling the whole way down, watching all the holes and crevice in the stone work, just waiting for a Copperhead to jump out and nail me.

Saved that bunny, though.

Gah.
What memories.


47 posted on 07/18/2021 9:05:03 PM PDT by Salamander (We Have Forgotten The Faces Of Our Fathers....)
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To: Born to Conserve

Interesting work! The farms of various great-aunts/uncles that I visited many times as a kid, as well as familiar old landmarks closer to home, have turned into hobby farms surrounded by subdivisions, or lone barns with no house, or over time just a ploughed field.


48 posted on 07/19/2021 6:28:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Big Red Badger

It would need wi-fi...


49 posted on 07/19/2021 7:48:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Salamander
When I moved here in 1990, after ALL those years, ...

Great story! Reminds me of my 100-year-old four-story tear-down rowhouse that I ripped the inside out of and rebuilt, while still a young single woman. I did have plumbing and a 1950s stove to start with, though.

Your story should be a made-for-tv movie, and all made sense, except:

Where is "here" in your story?

And after what many years, where?

50 posted on 07/20/2021 8:24:39 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." —Bob Dylan)
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To: Albion Wilde

Western Maryland and we could only trace the house back to 1789 before we ran out of deed books at the courthouse.
There were no records before “ book one”.
The area already had settlers, a fort and wagon trail “villages” by 1745 and was associated with the local iron furnace.
This area is old.
So from whenever in the 1700s to 1993.


51 posted on 07/20/2021 12:28:45 PM PDT by Salamander (We Have Forgotten The Faces Of Our Fathers....)
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To: Albion Wilde

Rats.

1990 not 93.

:-/


52 posted on 07/20/2021 12:30:31 PM PDT by Salamander (We Have Forgotten The Faces Of Our Fathers....)
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To: Salamander
Western Maryland and we could only trace the house back to 1789 before we ran out of deed books at the courthouse. There were no records before “ book one”. The area already had settlers, a fort and wagon trail “villages” by 1745 and was associated with the local iron furnace.

That is awesome. I salute you!

We have some in our family tree like that in Virginia.

53 posted on 07/28/2021 1:17:52 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." —Bob Dylan)
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To: Albion Wilde

This house makes “The Money Pit” house look like a luxury pre-fab.

The “romance” of log house life disappeared 25 years ago.

/when possums go walking through your kitchen, it’s time to realize things are weird enough for you.

;D


54 posted on 07/28/2021 2:33:45 PM PDT by Salamander (We Have Forgotten The Faces Of Our Fathers....)
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To: Salamander

Yeah, some friends of mine with a very large contemporary log home have had to have it all re-chinked due to bugs getting in. Also, because of exposed beams, there is no insulation between the floors, there’s not much auditory privacy. You have to go for a walk outside, say, to have a private conversation on a cell phone.

It’s still a wonderful house in an historic farming area famous for its revolutionary and Civil War bona fides.


55 posted on 07/28/2021 3:00:30 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." —Bob Dylan)
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To: Albion Wilde

Mine is pre-revolutionary.

The only “update” they ever did was to blow that ancient skeevy paper “insulation” in between the old log walls and the “new” lath and cow hair/mud “plaster” walls.

When we tore that stuff off, a mummified rat fell out of one wall.

I wish now that I had kept it.

Yay.

:D


56 posted on 07/28/2021 3:34:09 PM PDT by Salamander (We Have Forgotten The Faces Of Our Fathers....)
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In 865 AD, England was invaded by the Great Heathen Army. The viking army was made up of a coalition of Scandinavian warriors mainly from Denmark and, legend has it, four of the five sons.
Is This The Most Important Viking Burial Site In Britain? | 11:39
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0:00·[Music]
0:00·the jewel in the crown
0:02·that sounds like a must visit
0:05·it's back on the road to repton in
0:08·derbyshire
0:09·[Music]
0:18·i know it's silly but when i visit
0:20·places that were
0:21·at the center of kind of bloody dramatic
0:24·events in our history even though it's
0:25·one thousand years ago i still feel like
0:27·it's blood today but of course now it
0:28·just feels like a lovely
0:30·beautiful country church yeah this sort
0:32·of feels like as idyllic as you can
0:34·guess in england doesn't it really but
0:36·it definitely was not like that in the
0:38·late 9th century
0:40·it was an important place not the
0:42·vikings obviously
0:43·a huge impact here but it was an
0:44·important place well before they arrived
0:45·i thought that's what they were doing
0:46·here i guess yeah absolutely so
0:48·even before the viking age this was one
0:50·of the most significant sites really in
0:53·the kingdom of mercia this was a royal
0:56·ecclesiastical religious
0:58·importance there was a very wealthy
1:00·monastery here dating back probably as
1:02·early as the seventh century does any of
1:04·that fabric still remain or was it all
1:06·smashed up by the vikings so we know
1:07·definitely some of it was destroyed by
1:09·the vikings but there is a part that
1:11·still remains that the crypt in this
1:13·most of the churches is very modern but
1:15·they're right still you're the only
1:16·person i know cat who refers to very
1:19·modern as the 14th century yeah well you
1:21·know anything after the turn of the
1:23·millennium is pretty much modern to me
1:25·which millennium yeah
1:33·so we're heading down to the crypt yeah
1:35·this is the
1:36·anglers that isn't crazy this is
1:38·anglo-saxon now these rocks here are
1:39·like whoa
1:40·so this here definitely when we're now
1:43·in the crypt this is all part of the
1:44·merchant monastery
1:47·amazing time travel yeah absolutely this
1:50·i mean this is what's so extraordinary
1:51·this is what was here when the vikings
1:53·arrived they
1:54·would be touching the same pillars that
1:56·we're touching today and that's pretty
1:57·unusual in britain isn't it there's not
2:00·much
2:01·stone architecture left from what the
2:03·well the ninth century but it's not over
2:05·yeah so this is this is eighth century
2:07·certainly possibly even before that so
2:09·there's not much of that at all so we
2:11·it's very rare in the whole country to
2:13·have uh evidence of that remaining this
2:15·is one of the most special early
2:17·medieval bits of architecture in in the
2:19·uk yeah definitely and what's really
2:21·nice as well as you can see things like
2:22·traces of paint
2:24·so if you if you imagine
2:26·yeah imagine it really vividly colored
2:28·full of jewels glittering gold candles
2:32·it must have been such an atmospheric
2:35·place i mean it's special today but more
2:37·than a thousand years ago even more so
2:39·and and so this is where mercy which had
2:41·been one of the most powerful
2:43·anglo-saxon kingdom for periods buried
2:46·its kings i mean this was the holiest
2:47·the holy yeah so several we know that
2:49·several of the uh immersion uh dynasty
2:52·the royal dynasty were buried here and
2:54·this crypt itself would have been uh
2:55·that mausoleum so this would have been
2:57·where those uh possibly in these alcoves
2:59·here would have had uh essentially the
3:02·remains of those kings and people would
3:04·come here as a pilgrimage somewhere to
3:05·visit and this was all part of the
3:08·bigger monastery site which is very
3:10·wealthy it's a double house monastery
3:12·for men and women and so it might have
3:15·been a small town around it as well so
3:17·this is you can't really talk about
3:19·things as a capital city i guess but
3:20·this would have been
3:22·one of the most important
3:24·religious political royal sites in mercy
3:27·absolutely and this would have been
3:28·known far and wide so a very deliberate
3:31·place for the vikings to attack
3:33·[Music]
3:36·so this would have been filled with all
3:38·sorts of riches so there'd be a lot that
3:40·they could take away a lot of wealth
3:41·here but it was much more than that it
3:43·was a very much a political statement
3:45·knowing that it was such an important
3:46·religious site if you come and take that
3:49·then you're making a really big
3:51·statement it's like the soviet sticky
3:52·neck and a hammer and sickle flag on the
3:55·reichstag in 1945 what amazing moment
3:58·we know about the viking presence here
4:00·thanks to extraordinary investigations
4:02·done here by professor martin biddle and
4:04·his late wife vieta shalby biddle
4:09·from 1974 we started to dig beside the
4:12·crypt and very early on we got dating
4:16·evidence and then we found
4:18·an enormous ditch
4:20·i mean a whopper beside
4:23·right beside the church and if you can
4:25·imagine the church was there that was
4:28·the angle
4:29·of the of the church the ditch was there
4:31·they were cornered a corner
4:33·and this was i mean this is
4:35·four meters deep goodness knows how wide
4:38·we only got part of it
4:40·and we started to think and we looked at
4:43·the kind of pottery not much that was
4:45·coming out of it
4:46·and it came to us that
4:49·there was only one thing this could be
4:51·it would be part of the viking winter
4:54·camp
4:55·of 873-4 which of course we know about
4:58·from the anglo-saxon chronicle
5:02·and martin biddling's team didn't only
5:04·find the ditch
5:06·around the church they found other
5:08·evidence that proves the vikings were
5:10·here
5:11·[Music]
5:12·so what else have you found at this site
5:16·so in addition to to the ditch and all
5:18·of that the archaeologists executing
5:21·here in the 1970s and 80s found a lot of
5:24·burials and some of them were definitely
5:26·scandinavian or viking burials and
5:29·actually they are right here and some of
5:31·the most important ones yeah so we're
5:32·just going to try and work out exactly
5:34·where we are so looking at
5:35·the map and the plan so this is the
5:38·church of the yes that's the crypt
5:40·seven and eight this is
5:41·right in here yeah this spot
5:44·that we're standing on now yeah uh is
5:46·probably
5:47·the most
5:49·well the best known and most significant
5:51·viking grave in all of england right
5:53·this was where we had the so-called
5:55·repton warrior
5:57·buried and a younger man next to him he
6:00·was buried with a loss of objects which
6:03·was a typical scandinavian burial
6:05·writers being buried with objects around
6:07·you uh that included a sword along
6:10·inside a viking sword he had a sore
6:12·thumb around his neck yes thor's hammer
6:13·is there the guys are viking precisely
6:16·so so that's that's the sort of most
6:17·obvious part of it he had lots of other
6:19·smaller objects but he also had some
6:21·really really severe injuries on his
6:23·body so we could be pretty confident i
6:25·mean it's difficult to say that this
6:27·idea of whether somebody's a warrior is
6:29·really hard even if you're bored with
6:30·weapons doesn't necessarily mean that
6:32·but the severity of his injuries he must
6:35·have died in battle so he was terribly
6:38·wounded or killed in battle and brought
6:40·back here to this sacred royal space to
6:42·be buried
6:43·absolutely so
6:44·he was here there was a young man next
6:46·to him and we actually now know through
6:48·dna analysis that they were related so
6:51·they were father and son
6:53·they were essentially buried side by
6:54·side and on top of them were
6:57·lots of
6:58·sort of rectangular stone setting which
7:00·included smashed up pieces of beautiful
7:03·carved anglo-saxon crosses so here you
7:06·have what seems to be a pagan burial
7:09·with weapons with thor's hammer and with
7:12·essentially the evidence of that smashed
7:14·up monastery right on top
7:17·anything else in the body you want to
7:18·tell me about
7:19·well there is a very i know exactly what
7:21·you're asking about
7:23·he had some quite severe injuries as i
7:25·said one of them was a very
7:28·big wound to his left femur his left
7:30·thigh bone uh almost certainly made by
7:32·an axe because it was a properly big
7:34·v-shaped cut but he went so
7:37·closely down diagonal from his left hip
7:40·that it's almost certain that it would
7:42·have cut off part of his penis as well
7:45·more evidence for for the likelihood of
7:46·that is that those who buried him
7:48·actually placed a boss tusk in between
7:50·his legs right so he could still
7:54·enjoy life full in the afterlife
7:55·presumably that was the reason and why i
7:58·mean it's that maps fascinating there's
7:59·just a cluster of burials right here
8:01·just outside the royal crypt what
8:04·statement are vikings trying to make
8:05·there yeah i think that's the really key
8:07·point here in wrapton this isn't like
8:09·this isn't just something that they do
8:10·and then move away and forget all about
8:13·they are using burial those funerary
8:15·rights as a very political statement
8:17·saying this is where you used to have
8:20·your royals your most important people
8:22·but now we're in control we're in charge
8:25·and these are our important dead so now
8:27·we have that link that we can show even
8:30·the next generations that that this is
8:32·now essentially scandinavian territory
8:36·and an even more dramatic burial is to
8:38·be found next door
8:42·so we come to the vicarage garden just
8:44·next the church now more evidence here
8:46·is there yeah so this is another one of
8:48·those locations in fact if you go over
8:50·here where one of those discoveries was
8:53·made in the 1980s
8:55·back in the 80s there was a mound here
8:58·okay and that mound had been known about
9:00·for a very long time in fact they've
9:02·been dug into uh by antiquarian pesky
9:04·antiquarians yeah absolutely their dug
9:07·holes into it and in fact there's a
9:09·record uh that dates to the 70 earlier
9:12·1700s of somebody who had been asked by
9:16·the lady of the manor there's manohars
9:17·that used to be behind us here
9:19·to investigate hillocks in the garden
9:22·and this workman had dug into it and
9:25·found this huge deposit of bones
9:28·there was a central
9:30·uh skeleton nine foot tall surrounded by
9:33·the bodies of 100 humane skeletons
9:36·apparently but the lady of the manor was
9:38·so uh horrified by this that she just
9:40·ordered them to cover it all up again
9:42·back in the 1980s this was excavated
9:44·again this mount and and they actually
9:47·found that bone deposit but it was
9:49·inside a building so it was inside a
9:51·two-celled stone building which again
9:54·was part of that same monastery uh same
9:57·period that the crypt was from just
10:00·basically right where we're standing now
10:02·and it was just full of bones it was a
10:04·one compartment was full of bones they
10:06·identified almost 300 individuals all
10:10·crammed into that single space
10:12·wow and do we know that that's viking
10:14·era so there's quite a few clues within
10:17·those bones we know that they were all
10:19·what we call secondary deposits so they
10:21·were bones that were buried somewhere
10:22·else originally and then they were moved
10:24·when they turned to skeletons and put in
10:26·place but among the bones were also lots
10:29·of artifacts so there were viking
10:31·weapons also coins dating to the 870s so
10:35·precisely that winter we know the viking
10:37·great army was here in wreston that's
10:39·pretty good evidence isn't it yeah
10:41·that's pretty good as you go for
10:42·evidence is that bodies that people have
10:44·died on the campaign they kept them all
10:46·and buried them in one place this is one
10:48·of the big questions and i think that
10:50·that's what's most likely because we
10:52·would have had
10:53·hundreds maybe thousands of people dying
10:56·on those campaigns in battle or for
10:58·other reasons
10:59·it's likely they might have been given a
11:00·temporary burial somewhere at the site
11:03·but when they came here to repton we
11:05·know that they took over the whole
11:07·territories this was this is a long term
11:09·thing so i think it's quite likely that
11:11·they could have gone back found some of
11:13·those remains and taking them giving
11:14·them essentially a communal burial
11:16·somewhere like this somewhere where they
11:18·can say well this is this is where we've
11:20·settled now this is where we are to stay
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57 posted on 04/02/2023 8:42:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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