Posted on 09/06/2021 2:34:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
Are you sure you don't have that backwards.
Number one cause of visceral (belly) fat is diabetes (II) Not fat anywhere else but specifically around the belly.
Without a doubt, people were identifying they had diabetes and were able to live with it, but it was Type 2. We are having a Type 2 diabetes epidemic.
Type 1 people likely died quite quickly, I would imagine, prior to insulin being available.
BY limiting my carb intake to 8 hours during any day has helped me improve my A1C to within normal range.
Thanks for posting! Very interesting.
I will also say that there is a form of modified fasting that even Type 1 diabetics could utilize to help their pancreas migrate stem cells to help the pancreas. It involved a few days of less than 500 calories a day, then back to normal eating, but the approach needed to be heavily watched with a doctor.
https://chriskresser.com/could-type-1-diabetes-be-reversible-after-all/
“ And for those who aren’t familiar with the term “visceral”, it means fat wrapped around your internal organs. It is possible to have a relatively flat midsection, and still have visceral fat.”
You are right. I meant that term loosely. People with large bellies likely also have fat around their internal organs , although I don’t know if the amount of visceral fat in flat stomached people is enough to cause insulin resistance. The problem with type II diabetics is not that their pancreases aren’t producing enough insulin. Quite the opposite in fact. The problem is the insulin isn’t binding to the sugar molecules which is necessary in order to process glucose - and visceral fat plays a part in it. Because of unprocessed sugar in the blood the body mistakenly thinks it’s not producing enough insulin, so it signals the pancreas to pump even more insulin. The pancreas gets overworked producing far more than it should , and one of the side effects of insulin is converting excess sugar to fat. This is why diabetics tend to gain weight. It’s a vicious circle: weight gain causing insulin resistance causing weight gain... Dieting and exercising to trim visceral fat is the first step toward reversing it.
See post #46
Yes, saccharin available in 1917 surprised me as well!
Number one cause of visceral (belly) fat is diabetes (II)
Nope. Again, this is as I understand it. The body has evolved to store fuel for use as needed. First it builds up glycogen stores in the liver. If there is still glucose around after the liver has stored as much glycogen as it has room for, the liver will convert it into fat for even longer term storage. If you fast, taking in zero calories, it takes somewhere around 24 hours to burn through the glycogen stored in the liver. Glycogen stored in muscle cells is pretty much only used in the individual muscle cells containing it. So if you keep the bloodstream flooded with glucose every day, all day, you'll never burn through the glycogen stores.
When the liver loses some of it's functionality due to marbling with fat, it loses some ability to convert glucose into fat, and the glucose levels in the blood can't come down.
The glycogen buildup comes first after maintaining a stable high blood glucose level from the choice of diet, snacking, and without even a full 12 hour fast each day. The glycogen buildup is followed by the fat buildup, leading to degraded organ function, which progresses into the stages of diabetes.
After severe/acute pancreatitis, I used to be Type 1 on Novolog and Lantus insulins 4x/day. I am now diagnosed as Type 2, on Metformin and Jardiance, no insulin anymore. PSU-Hershey, UPMC and Upenn Endocrinology Depts are amazed.
Some people might be confused and think of belly fat as the love handles and the rest of that band of fat around the midsection. That fat is really no different from fat on your ass or your arms or anywhere else where it builds up around the muscles. You can take it out with liposuction and it will have zero effect on markers for diabetes.
It isn't the fat you can grab onto that causes the problem. It's the fat inside that gives your midsection a "thick" appearance that is the problem. You can do a lot of abdominal exercises and greatly increase the muscle to fat ratio in that area, but you'll just wind up with a hard, thick midsection.
Yes spitse said same 1k month with drug prescription plan. Forget it.
You’re a cold hearted thoughtless prick. Now smile, you bastard.
I have discontinued 5 medications except eye drops for glaucoma. We only eat 7 or 8 hours a day. Not single slip up for snacks out of hours. I was 6.6 A1C a year ago. Last week it was at 5.2. I have lost 35 pounds, and feel much better. We have been satisfied by the fasting hours.
No, that’s exactly correct. Type II is also known as “late onset” diabetes. People start to gain excess abdominal fat as they age generally starting in their 40s, and along with that (or a result of) the excess calories causes eventual insulin resistance and into metabolic syndrome. Also known as “Pre-Diabetes”.
A good documentary film on this topic...”Fat Fiction”:
“Doctors and nutrition experts debunk old myths about healthy eating, explaining the role of essential dietary fats and their impact on our wellbeing.”
Low-Carb, Dr. Fung, intermittent fasting, bad “seed oils”, etc., also included.
Free to stream on “Tubi”:
https://tubitv.com/movies/526849/fat-fiction
Yeah! When I was fat I would sat that if there is ever a famine I will outlive you skinny bastards! But seriously I have another 40 to go. Was about 180 in my 20s, no reason I shouldnt be there now. But coloring my hair is out of the question!
Not sure about 1800’s Type 2 diabetes info., but they knew how to treat/eat in 1917:
http://archive.org/details/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala/page/n9/mode/2up?view=theater
This type of eating, combined with intermittant fasting (”16/8” or “18/6”, etc.) and a bit more exercise could put a big dent in the $350 billion per year we are spending on Type 2 diabetes care.
Thank you. We will plan to watch that.
Yup. I consider it a form of prepping.
There's 3,500 calories in a pound of fat, so even at 20 pounds of fat available, you can live for weeks with zero calorie intake. Your body switches to generally burning fat directly instead of glucose if none is available. Just have to watch what you're doing if you're taking any prescription medications. I don't take any medications myself, so when I did a 14 day zero calorie fast a couple of months ago I had no real issues. About the only thing I really noticed was short term fatigue if I was doing harder physical exercise. Glucose is designed for quick energy. The body just isn't capable of delivering fat to each of the cells burning energy nearly as quickly. I'd have to take a couple minute break every so often to let the energy supply catch up with what I was burning in my muscles.
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