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Curious about the correlation between intubation for covid and death vs. Tracheostomy

Posted on 09/23/2021 6:58:37 AM PDT by missamyb

I've been curious about this for a long time so I thought I would ask the smartest people I know. Last year my sister passed away from Cardiac Arrest due to pneumonia caused by being on the ventilator. I never had any experience with anything like this before and aside from the grief and Trauma I gained a lot of awareness I was ignorant to previously. Since covid started I have noticed a pattern that it really seems like a death sentence once you get on the ventilator for this disease. It occurred to me that a tracheostomy would be a better option. I then Googled my question the best I could and all I could find were a few Snippets to the effect of, because there are are blood aerosols involved with the trach it is not safe for doctors. I then thought to myself, surely in the year 2021 there has to be a way to protect doctors from blood aerosol considering this is a common procedure. I'm by no means a medical professional and I'm still somewhat ignorant but it is just a nagging question for me. Maybe there is another explanation along the lines of it wouldn't help the patient or something like that. Does anybody have any insight?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: covid; intubation; tracheostomy; ventilator

1 posted on 09/23/2021 6:58:37 AM PDT by missamyb
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To: missamyb

I haven’t yet watched the whole thing, but based upon what I heard in the first 5 minutes, you should watch this.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/pulmonary-nurse-of-31-years-testifies-how-he-unknowingly-killed-patients-following-covid-protocols/


2 posted on 09/23/2021 7:02:46 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: missamyb

Covid patients are on ventilators because of problems with their lungs. A tracheostomy is just an intrusive way to bypass the windpipe/throat if it is obstructed. You’d still need a ventilator to help the lungs. Seems like a huge net negative to have to insert it via surgery instead of down the throat.


3 posted on 09/23/2021 7:12:27 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: missamyb; gas_dr
People are not suffocating because their throat is blocked. They are suffocating because of inflammatory products and by-products in the lungs (viral and otherwise) and from the air sacs and tiny vessels that exchange oxygen being clogged up and/or burst.

A hole in someone's throat does nothing to help. You do that when someone is choking on a food item. Those people still have fully working lungs.

Gas_dr is the expert on this, though, so I'll ping him.

4 posted on 09/23/2021 7:12:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: missamyb

By the way, the 95% ventilator death rate we saw early on in New York City and elsewhere is no longer as bad.


5 posted on 09/23/2021 7:14:48 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

That was my first thought when I started getting curious about this because it would almost be too obvious so I Googled that and NHS says
If you’re unable to breathe unaided, the tracheostomy tube can be attached to a machine (ventilator) that supplies oxygen to assist with breathing to increase the flow of oxygen to your lungs.


6 posted on 09/23/2021 7:15:52 AM PDT by missamyb
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To: ConservativeMind

Do you know what changed?


7 posted on 09/23/2021 7:16:40 AM PDT by missamyb
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To: Wayne07

This makes sense to me. I might have a little bit of a skepticism problem


8 posted on 09/23/2021 7:20:11 AM PDT by missamyb
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To: missamyb

the vent breaths for you, it’s not just an airway


9 posted on 09/23/2021 7:34:43 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: Chode

And a vent attached to a trach carries the same risks? I am hopeful I can put this issue to rest and cross it off the list of things that are making me lose faith in everything


10 posted on 09/23/2021 8:01:58 AM PDT by missamyb
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To: missamyb

A ventilator forces air into the lungs. It doesn’t matter which hole is used to access the lungs. The issue if the forced air. It seems they are using far too much force with the ventilators and damaging the patients’ lungs. A tracheotomy would simply result in a different entry point but the net result would be the same — too much forced air in the lungs from the ventilators. Seems like a lot more people would have been better off just being given oxygen with little or no force.


11 posted on 09/23/2021 8:30:17 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: missamyb

i would say yes they do


12 posted on 09/23/2021 9:00:17 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: Wayne07

Tracheostomy is much better at removing secretions and providing pulmonary toilet (suctioning). So, it decreases pneumonia and superinfections with pulmonary disease over standard intubation. The persons question is legitimate. I don’t know the answer.


13 posted on 09/23/2021 9:10:20 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: missamyb
You should look up VAP, which is “Ventilator-associated pneumonia”.

I read a paper on it shortly after having been on a ventilator.

My recollection is that ventilation is a procedure for assuring sufficient oxygen for a patient whose own breathing can’t do the job, either due to lack of breathing, inefficient lungs, or both.

The problem is that the environment created by the ventilator is highly conducive to the growth of bacteria. The paper I read itemized about a dozen ways in which the patient and his environment can be improved to reduce VAP.

The paper described one hospital’s efforts which reduced the incidence of VAP from much greater than 50% to much less than 50%. The challenge is that no single item will demonstrate the desired improvement. You have to do all of the recommendations and exercise great discipline to get the desired results. This makes it very difficult to solve this problem using a trial and error approach.

14 posted on 09/23/2021 10:00:03 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Seems like a lot more people would have been better off just being given oxygen with little or no force. <<<

I agree...and there is some medical theory to back that up...* *


15 posted on 09/23/2021 5:52:35 PM PDT by M-cubed (The MSM is now the 4th Branch of Government.....)
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