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Not to worry, your fridge and A/C won't work anyway as reliable electric power is replaced by bird-killing wind turbines and solar panels made from Chinese parts obtained from rare-earth deposits in Afghanistan.
1 posted on 09/23/2021 12:48:03 PM PDT by CedarDave
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Govt at work ensuring your quality of life continues to deteriorate.


2 posted on 09/23/2021 12:50:34 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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Just putting this stuff in the AC and refrigerators as well as cars is going to cost much more than people realize.


3 posted on 09/23/2021 12:54:11 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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I have been hording Freon (R22, R410) for the last 15 years. My supply is right next to the toilet paper.

I figure I can barter for a lot of bullets, beans, and steaks during sizzling summer months.


5 posted on 09/23/2021 12:56:47 PM PDT by DEPcom (Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules)
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Fresh foods, cool homes & offices and ice for my soft drinks are SO overrated!

Let me swelter and drink spoiled milk and rotten vegetables!

Hurray for Congress & the EPA!


7 posted on 09/23/2021 12:58:11 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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Best part is the replacement will be both toxic and flammable, and China will continue to produce and use as many HFCs as it wants.


8 posted on 09/23/2021 1:06:40 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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The EPA and the airconditioning industry get together to force the change of a/c units because they no longer make a/c that can run the old coolant.

Amtrak— has a WAIVER— to use R-12. A federal waiver and a large stockpile for airconditioning trains.

R-12 went away from 1989 vehicles last use onwards. the r-22, then R-410. and soon R-134a to ... what.

And all about the “ozone layer” that has NOT gone away.

Smart engineers should design simple ammonia based coolants that people can use in a self-build system.

Note also that the fedgov certainly gets away with using some of these banned coolants. All for them and not for us, ever.


9 posted on 09/23/2021 1:07:50 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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The new Refrigerant mandated by the Government for use in Cars “1234YF” costs ten times what the old “134a” Refrigerant cost.


10 posted on 09/23/2021 1:14:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Trump - Make America Great Again / Xiden - Make America Grovel Again...)
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The King is returning soon, He’ll make things right.


11 posted on 09/23/2021 1:24:41 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled" (Matthew 5:6).)
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Thank you for referencing that article CedarDave. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"EPA rule sharply limits HFCs, gases used as refrigerants"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

While the feds having such powers is arguably a good idea, patriots are reminded that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the unconstitutionally big federal government the specific power to protect the environment.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

And even if the states had properly constitutionally given the feds such powers, it remains that the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress is wrongly letting non-elected, constitutionally unauthorized bureaucrats make regulatory decisions.

In other words, lawmakers are constitutionally required to accept the risk of getting kicked out of office by the way that they vote on any fully constitutionally compliant bill if their voter base doesn't like the bill.

The remedy for unconstitutionally big, alleged election-stealing, Democratic-pirated federal government that is oppressing everybody under its boots...

Consider that all the states can effectively “secede” from the unconstitutionally big federal government by doing the following.

Patriots need to primary federal and state elected officials who don't send voters email ASAP that clearly promises to do the following.

Federal and state lawmakers need to promise in their emails to introduce resolutions no later than 100 days after start of new legislative sessions that proposes an amendment to the Constitution to the states, the amendment limited to repealing the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

Insights welcome.

12 posted on 09/23/2021 1:24:41 PM PDT by Amendment10
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I knew sonething was up when I saw this a few days ago...

Ozone hole over Antarctica is “larger than usual,” scientists say
SEPTEMBER 16, 2021 / 11:30 AM / AP

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ozone-hole-antarctica-larger-than-usual-scientists/#app

Scientists say the hole in the Earth’s protective ozone layer over the Southern Hemisphere is larger than usual this year and already surpasses the size of Antarctica.


13 posted on 09/23/2021 1:35:46 PM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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They already did this many years ago. They got rid of R-12 and swapped to R-134a in vehicles and got rid of R-22 and replaced with R-410 and others in commercial refrigeration. Some home appliances also use R-134a.

I got the EPA certification for automotive A/C so I could purchase R-12 but it’s hard to find now and if you do find it $45-50 for a 12 oz can.


14 posted on 09/23/2021 1:40:22 PM PDT by Pollard (Some people like to argue just to argue.)
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Back to the Stone Age we go!


25 posted on 09/23/2021 2:03:10 PM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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I guess we’ll have to catch and eat our insects on the fly.


26 posted on 09/23/2021 2:06:21 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Patents must be expiring. And patent holding companies want to prohibit cheap generics. I’m Sure they have something “new” and “better”, and of course more expensive.


28 posted on 09/23/2021 2:15:56 PM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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... part of a global phaseout designed to slow global warming.

What global warming?

I guess we'll all go back to cutting ice on the lake in winter
and storing it under hay in a barn for the summer.
Gonna be a little short on ice in New Mexico I reckon.

33 posted on 09/23/2021 2:48:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Resistance is not futile!)
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Bought a new fridge ... refrigerant is flammable cyclopentane. EPA puts a bomb in our homes.


36 posted on 09/23/2021 3:50:45 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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It would set a good example for the US Capitol Building, the White House and Supreme Court Building to lead the way in this endeavor. But they’ll undoubtedly exempt themselves from any discomfort the rest of the country will experience.


42 posted on 09/23/2021 4:52:48 PM PDT by rgr393
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I work in the A/C industry so I’m deeply invested in the results of these government overreaches.


45 posted on 09/23/2021 11:08:50 PM PDT by fwdude (If you don’t think you are in a battle w/ the culture for your children then you are already losing.)
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To: CedarDave; 100American; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; ...

Veggie Tales will be replaced by Spoiled Meat Tales.

Global Warming PING!


47 posted on 09/24/2021 4:32:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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So, R12 was bad for the ozone so they went to R134a. That is bad for AGW, so now it’s 1234YF. There will be a problem with that, too, but it will not be announced until we have billions invested in it. In the mean time, leftists theoreticians discuss the inherent immorality of air conditioning. I think there is a pattern here.


51 posted on 09/24/2021 7:39:59 AM PDT by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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