‘Fake’ Orthodox father-son rabbis ‘outed’ as Christians

NY Post ^ | November 2, 2021 | Zachary Kussin

[beethovenfan]

Oy oy oy the rabbi is a goy

[Phinneous]

Are we not enough of a mixed bag of (to quote the Bad News Bears)
Jews, sp&cs, ni&&ers, pansies...and a booger eating moron
(ah, the innocents of the 70s....)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZgN6F0GD2g

But to the point— you are the only one in the world with this opinion and you want to come into this petri dish of beliefs?

[Zathras]

“I view it as a great bridge between our peoples.”
Very well put!

[patriotfury]

Bingo!

[JesusIsLord]

These Orthodox rabbis aren’t even Jewish...

Hey, if Richard Levine can identify as a woman named Rachel Levine, what's wrong with Christians changing their names and identifing as Orthodox Jews ? /s

We are living in a crazy world filled with confused and lost souls. God help us !!

[patriotfury]

You are right on.

Fully Jewish by birth, Messianic in faith.

[MercyFlush]

Yeah, the current five racial groups that are accepted by the majority of geneticists (most of whom are Jewish) don’t delineate subgroups as distinct races.

Jews do indeed suffer from selected diseases more than any other groups do but this is not proof of their being a race.

It’s just proof that they’re the Chosen People.

Old joke:

THE Archangel Gabriel went to God,’ There’s a man to see you.’
‘Who is he?’
‘He says his name’s Epstein - claims to represent the Jewish people on earth.’
‘All right, show him in.’
Epstein shuffled through the Pearly Gates.’ Lord, the Jews are wondering if you could answer one question?’
‘Certainly. Go on.’
‘Is it true that we are your Chosen People?’
‘Yes.’
‘We are definitely your Chosen People?’
‘Yes.’
‘Well, Lord, the Jews are wondering if you could choose somebody else for a change.’

[stylin19a]

I wonder if all the b’rit milahs they did are still good...

[patriotfury]

As Isaiah 53 has now been fulfilled, one of the next really big things will be —

Zachariah 12:10 - 13:2

“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.

In that day a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity.

It will come about in that day,” declares the LORD of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they will no longer be remembered; and I will also remove the prophets and the unclean spirit from the land.”

[Jewbacca]

Those are valid points. I have no idea if the witnesses have to be Jewish.

Never come up!

[Jewbacca]

Respectfully I don’t have any interest in learning about either a heretical Jewish group or gentiles who emulate Judaism.

That said, as long as they are not frauds like these people(apparently) are, it’s none of my business.

[Fiji Hill]

Methodists and probably most Christians today believe that all of us are responsible for sending Jesus to the cross because of our sins.

Died He for me, who caused His pain?
For me, who Him to death pursued?
--Charles Wesley, 1738

[PapaBear3625]

>>Christian texts are full of reference to Jesus’ adherence to the Oral Law (later codified as the Talmud.)
That current Judaism is “rabbinic” is your (to be true a large percentage of Christians’) opinion. That Christianity is older is also just your opinion.<<

Jesus was all about the WRITTEN Law. The Pharisees (whome Jesus opposed) were adherents of the Oral Law.

The Pharisees were the ancestors of modern rabbinic Judaism.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/pharisees

[fidelis]

Methodists and probably most Christians today believe that all of us are responsible for sending Jesus to the cross because of our sins.

As do Catholic Christians. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

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Jews are not collectively responsible for Jesus' death

CCC 597 The historical complexity of Jesus' trial is apparent in the Gospel accounts. The personal sin of the participants (Judas, the Sanhedrin, Pilate) is known to God alone. Hence we cannot lay responsibility for the trial on the Jews in Jerusalem as a whole, despite the outcry of a manipulated crowd and the global reproaches contained in the apostles' calls to conversion after Pentecost.[385] Jesus himself, in forgiving them on the cross, and Peter in following suit, both accept "the ignorance" of the Jews of Jerusalem and even of their leaders.[386] Still less can we extend responsibility to other Jews of different times and places, based merely on the crowd's cry: "His blood be on us and on our children!", a formula for ratifying a judicial sentence.[387] As the Church declared at the Second Vatican Council:

. . . [N]either all Jews indiscriminately at that time, nor Jews today, can be charged with the crimes committed during his Passion. . . [T]he Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this followed from holy Scripture.[388]

All sinners were the authors of Christ's Passion

CCC 598 In her Magisterial teaching of the faith and in the witness of her saints, the Church has never forgotten that "sinners were the authors and the ministers of all the sufferings that the divine Redeemer endured."[389] Taking into account the fact that our sins affect Christ himself,[390] the Church does not hesitate to impute to Christians the gravest responsibility for the torments inflicted upon Jesus, a responsibility with which they have all too often burdened the Jews alone:

We must regard as guilty all those who continue to relapse into their sins. Since our sins made the Lord Christ suffer the torment of the cross, those who plunge themselves into disorders and crimes crucify the Son of God anew in their hearts (for he is in them) and hold him up to contempt. And it can be seen that our crime in this case is greater in us than in the Jews. As for them, according to the witness of the Apostle, "None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." We, however, profess to know him. And when we deny him by our deeds, we in some way seem to lay violent hands on him.[391]

Nor did demons crucify him; it is you who have crucified him and crucify him still, when you delight in your vices and sins.[392]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

[PghBaldy]

You are wrong. Ashkenazi Jews in particular have distinct genetic markers. They have a mixture of European and Mid Eastern background. It is very easy for genetics to show they are more than just some European people.

[Ezekiel]

What's with all the frauds these days? The world is crawling with them.

Will a real Jew please stand up?

Well here's Don Rich HaNavi to explain God's POV of His people:

Don Rich - I'm Layin' It On The Line

It's that famous Bakersfield Sound. In pink suits, no less. People get offended. Nobody wants to hear this stuff!

2 Peter 1

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Love songs. :)

Don was apparently giggling because he ad libbed the "and the sun don't shine" part. It just came out all of a sudden.

Darling. It was an instantaneous lyrics change that came out of "nowhere."

David envisioned quite a line up of singers and musicians. You just can't rush a masterpiece. Don was a fiddler at first:

Don Rich and the Buckaroos - Orange Blossom Special

Don Rich -- Cajun Fiddle

"A river's always looking for an ocean
And a lumberjack he looks for a tree
Well I finally found what I was looking for
And it's a gonna take a whole lot of you for me."

***

God Bless America

Oh the Sun's gonna shine in my life once more
Love's Gonna Live Here Again...

1 Sam 16.11. And Samuel said to Jesse, Are here all your children? And he said, There remains still the youngest, and, behold, he keeps the sheep; And Samuel said to Jesse, Send and fetch him; for we will not sit down [כִּי לֹא־נָסֹב] till he comes here:

Ain't that the truth.

Kings will shut their mouths.

[unlearner]

“What they ARE against are missionaries who use fakery such as the people discussed in the article to convince uneducated Jews that JC is part of Judaism.”

I’m not defending these people who I know nothing about. But Jesus was clearly a Jew and a practitioner and advocate of Judaism. The early Christian church was thought of as a sect of Judaism. And the early founders were as surprised as anyone that Christianity would become a predominantly Gentile religion.

The premise upon which Paul (of the apostle fame) championed a Gentile version of Christianity (without ever denying its Jewish roots, as he continued to practice Judaic tradition himself) was the idea that Christianity was a hidden mystery contained in the Hebrew scriptures and had not been revealed prior to his receiving of it directly from God.

He argued that it was always God’s plan to bring salvation to the Gentiles through Israel and that the Jewish Messiah would be a Savior to the whole world. He introduced a different way of viewing sin, atonement, redemption, salvation, and so on. It was non-traditional to say the least. Paul is asserted to be a Pharisee previously called “Saul” who at first did his best to stop the spread of the Christian sect among the Jews by having Christians (they weren’t called “Christians” at the time) imprisoned or even executed. Then he asserted that Jesus appeared to him in a vision, after which he became a follower.

Early Jewish Christians were particularly fearful of Paul, thinking his conversion was just a ruse. But then non-Christian Jews also opposed him, saying his teachings were anti-Jewish (an accusation that followed him everywhere and he constantly defended himself against).

Like most religions, neither Christianity nor Judaism are monolithic. Jews have the added challenge of maintaining a Jewish identity because being “Jewish” is simultaneously thought of in terms of religion, nationality, culture/tradition, ethnicity/race, and language. I do not think any other people-group comes close in terms of the challenges to maintaining an identity, and it MUST be a miracle from Heaven that Jewish people, and the nation of Israel in particular, still exist. God said they were His chosen people and nation, and I don’t see how anyone can deny the miraculous nature of prophecies clearly being fulfilled thousands of years after being written.

[TalonDJ]

“This is absolutely outrageous. “

No it isn’t. Jesus was (is) Jewish. So were all the apostles. 99.9% of his ministry as to Jews. Someone can totally be Jewish and a Christian.

[cuban leaf]

This is just my opinion, but I think you are over-arguing this, in the same way someone might say, “No, the sun does not set in the west. The rotation of the earth just makes it look like it does.

And yes, I’ve actually had people make that argument on the internet.

[Angelino97]

Christian texts are full of reference to Jesus’ adherence to the Oral Law (later codified as the Talmud.)

The Gospels are full of references to Jesus condemning "the tradition of the Pharisees" (later codified as the Talmud).