Posted on 11/06/2021 8:25:19 PM PDT by conservative98
Desperate to cover for the piece of shiite, aren’t they?
Well it has worked before, coincidently for someone named Hillary
. I don’t know how modern westerns compare to older TV stuff, technically, but I saw a lot of shooting on MeTV, today and don’t recall any flash. I’ll have to pay more attention.
But the rules of gun safety still have to be observed. That damn fool should never have pointed the gun at a person regardless of what he thought was in it.
I read it that they replace the powder with BBs (probably not actual BBs - they might be too large). Perhaps to give the dummy round some weight? But not sure why they would need weight. Unless when they are being shown emptied from the gun and falling to the ground or something.
They are just stating the facts. Whoever the facts covers it covers. But this doesn’t take away from the fact that the Producer wasn’t supposed to be pointing the gun at anyone and was told not to.
I could see dummy rounds being used in a scene where someone is, say, loading a gun and you want the bullets to look realistic but not be fireable.
Yes, this is correct, and you're also dead on about live rounds on a set. That's a recipe for disaster. Add in a careless and inexperienced armorer, a producer who ignores repeated firearm mishaps, an assistant director who was fired from a previous movie for a firearm mishap, and a general disregard for firearm safety.
“Why would they need to look real if they’re never seen by the camera?”
Dummy rounds used elsewhere are coated in a black coloring. (Maybe lacquer?—I never asked anyone).
Joe Swanson—whose company, Motion Picture Blanks, in Kingman, Ariz., has manufactured movie ammunition for about 35 years—says he supplied the “Rust” production with blanks as well as dummy rounds. Dummy rounds contain no explosive ingredients and are used as stand-ins for real bullets on camera.While blanks typically have a crimped tip that distinguishes them from live ammunition, dummy rounds have a nearly identical look and heft of real bullets.
As a safety measure, Mr. Swanson says he inserts a pellet inside each dummy round so that it will rattle. “You can’t really tell the difference unless you shake it,” he says, adding that it’s typically the job of the on-set firearms safety coordinator and assistant director to do such safety checks.
There is a lot of conflicting information out there, and it's possible there was other dummy ammo used in addition to that described above, which would add another tent to the Rust circus.
“Also I’m sure she didn’t purchase the ammo for the set.”
That’s literally her job as the armorer. Just like she had to purchase the guns, complete with 4473 forms. She carries a ton of criminal responsibility here.
The guns are provided by companies in California that specialize in guns for movies.
Just as you cannot ship a gun to another person or company in another state, they cannot either. They ship to an FFL in the state where the movie will be made. The armorer as the agent for the legal entity in that state (the production company) goes to the gun store, does a multiple firearm 4473, and leaves with the guns.
The process goes in reverse when they are done.
Basically, this girl was operating as an underground FFL when she let other people go leave with them. And yes, it’s her job to purchase that ammo.
No, they make blanks and dummies. Blanks don’t look like live rounds. Dummies do. but instead of gunpowder under the slug, there are some BBs. Those rattle around between the dead primer and the bullet so you can shake a dummy and it rattles like a child’s toy.
From another article:
He asked attorney for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, Jason Bowles, “Why were there live rounds on the set in the first place?”
Bowles replied, “That’s the biggest question in the whole case.”
He explained, “There’s no purpose for a live round on this set, zero…There was no reason for there to be live rounds. She didn’t have live rounds. She didn’t purchase any of this ammunition. This ammunition was purchased by other people, production.”
https://ijr.com/attorney-armorer-alec-baldwin-movie-sabotage-set/
She didn’t purchase any of it.
OHHHH, she was asked. Well that clears it up. LOL
I don’t know how to break this to you, but people in her position making statements to the press a couple of days after the event are not trustworthy.
See also “CYA”.
Baldwin *“broke every single rule of basic firearm safety that exists.”*
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You said I was wrong and she purchased the ammo. This quote disputes from the attorney that: “She didn’t purchase any of this ammunition. This ammunition was purchased by other people, production.”
This girl wasn’t even supposed to be the armorer to begin with. The original armorer walked away from the job because he said production wanted him doing more than one job and the armorer said it would not be safe. Alec told the crew they go “F themselves, production doesn’t care.”
And who knows - someone from production could have bought the wrong ammo? Or someone from production could have been firing the weapon for target practice and slipped the wrong ammo into the mix. That’s the point. Maybe even Alec himself? You cannot just pin this on the girl.
And as Daffy said Aleck broke not jut one but every single gun safety rule in existence. So LOL all you want that doesn’t make the case.
You might want to read the article again. Her attorney made the statement to the press, not her. By all accounts, she has not spoken to the press at all yet.
I have armorer certifications from 4 different major firearm manufactures.
Dummy rounds were used in function testing of the firearms in all the courses. They were all clearly marked care being taken to make sure one could not mistake them for real rounds.
When training required the use of dummy rounds they were all clearing marked.
Now brightly colored plastic ones are used a lot.
I have a couple of striper clips that full of dummy training training for the 1903 Springfield dated 1918.
Even back then they new the danger of mixing live an and dummy rounds.
They have creases in the case and are nickel plated.
As an instructor armorer for decades. I have made many dummy rounds and took great care in making sure they are easily identified.
To used dummy rounds that look so much alike that one can only tell by feel. Is the up most in stupide as many rounds of the same caliber can feel different.
125gr vs 158gr.
Full case of powder vs half a case of powder.
Yes very common as many different powders have very different weights for their charges.
The so called industry expert if he allowed dummy ammo that could not be easily recognized from live ammunition on the set.
Is not an expert at all.
I heard the director handed it to him with the words “cold gun.”
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