traditionally russia has taken the position:
What is Ours is Ours. What is Yours is Negotiable.
They held eastern Europe a lot longer than Ukraine. A ceasefire without a withdrawal is just an Occupation. Like getting your shoe back from a Pitbull.
...Ukraine as an independant state
You really think Putin wants to stay in Ukraine? Why? It would almost be as much a burden on him as it will be on your grandchildren if this doesn’t get negotiated. Russia was fine with an INDEPENDENT unaligned Ukraine from 1991 until 2010 when Obama/Soros Destabilization, Inc. showed up and took over. You must remember, it was the same time O/S D, Inc. showed up and did the same thing to you and me. If Zelenskyy is smart, he’ll take the Russian disengagement deal and let our grandchildren hire Slo Joe’s brother to “rebuild” Ukraine. Russia is happy, Ukraine is happy, I’m happy WWIII didn’t start. And most importantly the oligarchs in DC are happy being paid on my grandson’s credit card.
So, they are liberals.
“traditionally russia has taken the position: What is Ours is Ours. What is Yours is Negotiable.”
Exactly. Russia has been the neighborhood punk for 300 years.