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Putin may be losing the information war, but Zelensky's NATO concession suggests Ukraine may be losing on the battlefield. The West must not fool itself into thinking otherwise, writes military expert BILL ROGGIO
The Daily Mail ^ | 03/18/2022 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 03/19/2022 7:18:33 AM PDT by Skywise

As Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine grinds on into its fourth week, the physical war rages in the cities and countryside, while an information war is waged over the airwaves and on the internet and social media.

On the actual battlefield, the Russian offensive has undoubtedly slowed over the past week. But what is being described as a 'stalled' takeover may be the result of the Russians taking time to reorganize their forces and improve their logistics.

On the Western side of the information war, we were told from the opening days of the conflict that the Russian military would break due to high casualties and defections, loss of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and aircraft, and domestic opposition.

Videos of Russian battlefield setbacks abound in the media, and strangely there is little reporting on Ukrainian losses.

And yet, over three weeks into the war, Vladimir Putin remains president and the Russian war machine has not collapsed but in fact continues its plodding, imperfect, and messy advance.

Ukraine certainly has won the war on social media and in the press. This gives the average Western viewer the impression of a lopsided victory in favor of Ukraine.

Additionally, the Pentagon has taken the unprecedented step of conducting daily briefings on the war, even though the U.S. is not at war.

The Pentagon assessments often track closely with assessments given by the Ukrainian government.

This is not a condemnation of the West's use of information and disinformation.

These tactics play a role in the management of conflicts. But the West should not delude itself into believing that the Ukrainians will be saved by wishful thinking.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: putin; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/19/2022 7:18:33 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

Globalists are the best at propaganda.
Russia? Not so good.

The propaganda masters say that the Russian military is no good.
When the dust settles, let’s see if Russia is better at War than it is a Propaganda.


2 posted on 03/19/2022 7:24:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Ukraine is not a good country and does not deserve active US support.)
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To: Skywise

The outcome was never in doubt.

If I was in a Baltic state, I would be making plans


3 posted on 03/19/2022 7:25:02 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Skywise
Putin will not be denied.The death and destruction mean nothing to him.
4 posted on 03/19/2022 7:25:03 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: Skywise

I hate these foreign conflicts because all the foreign policy and military “experts” come out of the woodwork to get face time on TV and to see their words printed in the papers and posted on internet blogs and websites. So many of these people don’t know s**t and just love to hear themselves let off their hot air!


5 posted on 03/19/2022 7:26:33 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: ClearCase_guy
Globalists are the best at propaganda.

Until you get to the point where it is assumed that everything you say is a lie and a lie for a deliberate purpose.

6 posted on 03/19/2022 7:27:48 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: redgolum

The Putin plan.
Possess a bombed out Ukraine and sell his natural resources at 30% off to China.


7 posted on 03/19/2022 7:29:47 AM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Skywise

Duh……

This nonsensical narrative being pushed by the media that UKraine is winning this war is laughable. No wonder people believe Biden won…


8 posted on 03/19/2022 7:31:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Too many people believe that rooting for the underdog is the right thing to do. That skews their perception of reality and gives them confirmation bias.


9 posted on 03/19/2022 7:35:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (When the kings fight this serfs suffer.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Ukraine is not ‘winning’, they are fighting on. Russia is advancing and wreaking havoc, but at significant loss of materials, men, and prestige.

I wouldn’t get hung up over the media’s use of the word ‘winning’. I don’t think any of them have defined ‘winning’ as having driven out the threat. But they have correctly surmised that the Russians can’t ‘win’ any more here than they could in Afghanistan.


10 posted on 03/19/2022 7:41:42 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: nascarnation

No - get it right.

Putin’s plan was to push NATO AWAY from the Russian border.

Short term, yes, he has to sell his oil to India and China at lower rates and loses political power as his people suffer economically (which is how the West is playing its 5th generation warfare games)

But LONG term - he may have increased the Russian border and taken Ukrainian reserves which include large uranium deposits, one of the largest agricultural lands in Europe, increased access to the Black Sea and, of course, pushed NATO back. Used properly he can use those resources to further enrich the Russian people and get his political power back.

The BIGGER questions are -
Can he hold Ukraine? Does this become Russia’s Iraq or does Ukraine become successfully integrated?
Does he keep going into NATO territory? (I’m thinking no here but then I didn’t think he’d go into Ukraine either)

(and isn’t it interesting that nobody on either side seems to be concerned about the increase of COVID infections in light of needing a 5th booster?)


11 posted on 03/19/2022 7:41:56 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: redgolum
If I was in a Baltic state, I would be making plans

Add Poland to that list. He'll take the eastern half of it and offer Pomerania and Silesia back to the Germans.

12 posted on 03/19/2022 7:43:51 AM PDT by damper99
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To: nascarnation

His plan is to recreate Russia.

The west will have to fight him. However we don’t have the means to now.

Or you will see all Baltic and most Scandinavian nations fall. Realistically, Latvia and Estonia have no chance. Poland and Finland have an outside chance, but I expect the line will be the east side of the Aegean up through Germany. Unless the West figures out what bathroom to use real quick


13 posted on 03/19/2022 7:44:56 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: mad_as_he$$

Believe nothing in MSM. Putin will do WHATEVER it takes to win this thing. No way in hell he allows the humiliation of losing to Ukraine. It’s way harder than he expected sure but he will not take a loss.


14 posted on 03/19/2022 7:45:32 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Skywise

Finally reality raises its head. 🙄


15 posted on 03/19/2022 7:46:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: damper99

Poland is a tougher nut than Ukraine. But the Kalingrad cauldron is going to split polish forces.


16 posted on 03/19/2022 7:46:59 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Skywise
--- "...an information war is waged over the airwaves and on the internet and social media."

Given the enormous anomalies in "official" data from "official" sources proving the pandemic has been media-amplified into hysteria while the reality is something quite different, it becomes important to look not only to what is in news stories, but what is not.

There is no real information war per se, but lies and exaggerations, models and estimates and forecasts filling much of media with specific aims, as the sponsors of the various stances show themselves.

The real battle seems to be localism versus globalism, corporatism versus capitalism, and individualism versus the collective. Those who hope to be our masters wish their subjects to see only what is presented. For this, the new accusation of "dis-information" is rising to the level of racism and all the collected "-phobias" which have filled "the news."

17 posted on 03/19/2022 7:47:19 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Magnum44

But neither is Ukraine holding ground - thus they are ‘losing’.

It’s not a stalemate and while I admire the Ukraine’s resolve, unless they’re actively supplied by NATO and Biden they’re not going to be able to hold out. Meanwhile Biden seems to want to give them just enough arms to give Putin pain in moving forward but not the arms necessary to actually repel Putin. Add in the Iran ‘peace treaty’ where Biden is actively working with Putin to give $10 billion to Russian businesses to build a nuclear reactor in Iran and its readily apparent that Biden is happily using Ukraine to play off of Putin but has no real intent on defending Ukraine.

And Zelensky has finally realized this.


18 posted on 03/19/2022 7:48:22 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

It’s been a little over three weeks now and it appears Ukraine is getting very desperate. Won’t be long now?

Meanwhile at home...ahh at home, the wheels are coming apart:

“LOOK, LOOK OVER HERE!”


19 posted on 03/19/2022 7:49:46 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Eat Snacky Smores!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9-ERhmuYEI


20 posted on 03/19/2022 7:51:03 AM PDT by Skywise
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