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To: Mermaid Girl

You bring into specific relief a problem that seems to prevail unfortunately in medicine today. This oncologist is generalizing from her perspective (people sick and dying from cancer) a universal plan. It is inappropriate.

As you point out CPR is important. In the young and healthy patient CPR should absolutely be administered in the proper circumstances. What this surgeon fails to understand is that CPR is administered to save brain function and end organ function during loss of pulsatile blood flow. In adults the most common cause of this is V fib so we used to call it the hunt for VF. Keep the brain alive until treatment of a shockable rhythm.

While this physician is correct most in house codes have a miserable 30 day meaningful survival rate or is not because of CPR but because these people are quit sick with baseline illness that has progressed to end of life. It becomes the discussion of what if you have an end stage disease — does life support give you a chance at cure or artificially prolong a death? I have seen a lot of patients on life support — trach, vent, PEG, dialysis who are miserable for the last days of their lives. More often than not we find that the family is insistent on this type of care despite the wishes of the patient.

A patient has autonomy and I am not allowed to substitute my judgment for theirs in terms of whether to proceed with a full scope of care or limited measures including hospice support. (Please note this is very different than a patient or family being allowed to demand a course of treatment that in my judgment is inferior or dangerous). This is exactly why the love of my life also has full executed authority to make decisions for me in the event I cannot speak for myself. The love of my life and I also have had a full discussion of what we want. This prevents a lot of issues when the time comes.

This surgeon is correct. CPR is brutal. But she misses the irony that in surgery you are stripped naked, placed on a cold hard operating rooms table while a surgeon picks up a knife and splits you open. Using her language it appears that irony is lost on this particular surgeon.


14 posted on 03/27/2022 6:02:53 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr; catpuppy
cp, if you are around, tell the story of your own no resuscitation order. I, for one, hope to have someone as fine a medical person as the one who treated you were this issue to come up for us (LL or myself).

It made us much more clear in our directive.

Thanks for your input gassy. Claifying as usual.

17 posted on 03/27/2022 6:19:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: gas_dr

gaslight


38 posted on 03/27/2022 6:59:39 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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