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To: sphinx

What percentage of Hollywood films, produced in 2022, didn’t contain a subliminal WOKE message ?

8 % ? Too high ?

You have to stick with pre-Obama-era movies to find any semblance of true entertainment.


2 posted on 07/05/2022 8:30:24 PM PDT by BrexitBen
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To: BrexitBen

Yep- i don’t watch new movies- and lately, I’ve even been noticing that movies i did watch back in the 70’s and 80’s had woke messages too- i just didn’t realize it back then- although their woke messages then were less overt- but they were still there- they were propagandizing about climate change, and homo stuff even back then-


7 posted on 07/05/2022 8:45:07 PM PDT by Bob434 (.)
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To: BrexitBen
The Oscar for Best Picture last year went to CODA, which was not woke at all. I was glad to see it win. I suspect that at least some of the Academy voters saw it as an opportunity to push back against the hyper-politicization that is poisoning the industry.

I suggested After Yang and Montana Story as two to watch. I think you would have to swerve way out of your lane to pick a fight with either of them about subliminal woke messages. There is probably a discussion to be had about diversity in both films, but I'm not going to stay up late enough tonight to see that through. Perhaps tomorrow.

What I will say at the moment is that After Yang was written and directed by Kogonada, who was born in Seoul and came to the U.S. as a child when his parents immigrated. As a first generation immigrant, he is interested in questions of constructing an identity. This is nothing new in American cinema; we all have immigration stories in our family trees, and many movies have explored related themes. In After Yang, which is a philosophical sci-fi film, Kogonada posits a mostly post-racial world. With one exception, every family depicted in the film is blended in some way. AND IT IS SIMPLY NOT AN ISSUE. The dividing line that matters in this film is between "natural" humans and "engineered" humans: clones and AIs. The implicit argument is that the color of one's skin shouldn't matter. We should have Kogonada's back on this.

The film has been very well reviewed, but the racist wokesters have attacked it precisely for being post racial in orientation. The leftist bigots attack it for featuring an international and transracial adoption. They attack Kogonada, a Korean American, for presenting Yang as "Chinese," and never mind that Yang is an AI designed and programmed as a helper for families with Chinese adoptions. Some of the critics object to Yang being played by Justin Min, who is Korean, not Chinese. Some of them attack the young girl who plays Mika, the adopted child, because young Malea Emma's family, which is ethnically Chinese, had been part of the overseas Chinese diaspora in Indonesia before coming to the U.S., making her inauthentically Chinese. Yang is an AI, which is obviously a microaggression because it depicts Chinese people as robotic. And Yang breaks down, which is an obvious microaggression targeted at the inferior quality of Chinese technology. Etc., etc., etc.

And Mika is a Japanese name. And a cover song sung by Mitski, a Japanese American artist, features prominently. The lefties consider these as offenses as well. Never mind that Kogonada's father, a Korean, grew up as a Korean expat in Japan and that Kogonada is a reformed academic who was writing a dissertation on Ozu, a Japanese director, before he turned to filmmaking. He is just an uppity Korean who has no right to adopt a pan-Asian esthetic and blend it into an overarching American identity. And on and on.

The racist buffoonery of the identity politics left is endless. There is a LOT to discuss here if we get into it. But be mindful that the hopeful world Kogonada projects is meant to be post-racial. That is something conservatives will generally applaud. It is the racist left that takes offense.

May I suggest that you watch the movie and then we can discuss it sensibly.

What percentage of modern films are not subliminally woke? Wow. That would require a Ph.D dissertation level of research. But a lot of films are simply non-political, and a fair number are culturally and morally conservative -- again, simply because reality is conservative, so honest movies that deal fairly with serious issues will give conservatives their innings. Casting gets more diverse all the time, but that reflects the reality of a changing America. The question is whether diversity in casting is forced and artificial, in which cases the filmmakers are obviously playing quota games, or whether it emerges naturally and organically from the story. After Yang and Montana Story are two good examples of how to do it right.

14 posted on 07/05/2022 9:08:50 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: BrexitBen

I can offer one suggestion that’s probably not anybody else’s list. Doesn’t seem to have any woke stuff in it. “Jerry and Marge Go Large”. It’s on Paramount+ which you can get a 30 day FREE trial, just remember to cancel the subscription if you don’t want.

No I’m not affiliated with Paramount. I just enjoyed the movie.


27 posted on 07/06/2022 12:58:49 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: BrexitBen

Yes but the real woke is in TV series. I just can’t watch another season of Umbrella Academy because they have made a show around a very deranged person Elliott Page. But that’s just one example of woke television. And do we have to have gay characters in pretty much every show?


64 posted on 07/06/2022 2:12:02 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: BrexitBen

Top Gun Maverick. Best movie in a LOOOONG time. Hardly a speck of wokeness or political correctness...but a good old fashioned movie with a great blend of action, drama and comedy. Home run!


72 posted on 07/06/2022 3:22:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: BrexitBen
Top Gun: Maverick, however, is more than just a commercial success story,

Other than using Vietnam-era tactics in a supposed current technological framework...

Oh; and the fallacy of having a non-test pilot take the Darkstar to areas outside the window, and then merely getting a weak verbal lashing for destroying it...

77 posted on 07/06/2022 6:24:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BrexitBen

The most recent film I’ve watched is the DVD I bought of “Old Henry”. Tim Blake Nelson is outstanding and the supporting cast is pretty dang good too. The scenes and sets are really authentic looking in that they don’t look anything like California.


83 posted on 07/06/2022 8:40:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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