Posted on 10/05/2022 6:44:54 AM PDT by KC Burke
“will beat Magnus 99 times out of 100’
I guess that does make it ‘almost’
The ELO ratings of humans and machines aren’t really comparable, since they have no common base. Also, even if Carlsen only beat Stockfish 1 time out of 100 (which is very likely too low), there would probably also be a dozen or so draws.
Magnus might be able to draw against a computer sometimes as white, particularly if the program isn’t configured to avoid draws. I don’t know the basis of the claim he could ever win.
No one knows exactly how Hans cheated over the board. They used electronic pieces and the moves were shown on the internet in real time. Presumably, someone send him signals of the moves recommended by the computer.
It hasn’t been proven Hans cheated over the board. So should they just forget about it and let him keep cheating? There is plenty of circumstantial evidence that he cheated. Can he really play at a 2700 in tournaments in which he cannot cheat?
(Put microphone receiver on the underside of the chairs to pick up the buzzzing?)
Strangeness in the chess world!
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(And since we are entering post season play!)
Someone else who's following the game feeds the moves into a computer and signals the player their next move.
They had a casino ring years ago that used a radio transmitter to trigger a vibrating circuit in a player's shoe. It would be even easier nowadays with wi-fi and cellular devices.
Niemann has long thick curly hair too, and could easily wear a small earpiece if there’s no “inspection process” prior to the match.
How is your patch of sand working out?
We are confusing two separate genre here.
First of all, against Magnus your first sentence about the St. Louis tourney should probably read: No one knows how (or if) Hans cheated over the board.
Your next sentence applies (it seems to me) only to this accusation in the article to internet play in the past by Hans. The internet tourneys may have been in real time but the St. Louis tournament was on a 15 minute delay for protection against cheating. What I have read is that the speculation on cheating in the live tourney was anticipated to having access to pre-tourney prep participants of Magnus -- not real time electronic feeds.
The entire reason this analysis of past internet play was done was that in order to fend off accusations about the live tourney, Hans claimed he had never cheated in live over-the-board play and had only cheated twice in internet play as a kid and paid dearly for it -- so its obvious he would not be doing such now as a young adult Master on-the-rise. This article recounts how on looking back the chess community now thinks he cheated wholesale on all his internet play.
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At the St Louis tournament the players were wanded, the feeds covering it had a 15 minute delay, the players were examined for com devices.
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The precautions at the St. Louis tournament happened after Magnus withdrew after losing to Hans. Magnus and another player had requested anti-cheating measures before the start of that tournament, but the request was denied.
There is evidence, like Hans playing 200 points better in tournaments in which the moves were broadcast live. Several Hans games are almost exactly what a program would have played.
I don’t think the World Champion would make an issue about this without a good reason.
There have been similar problems in poker with generally more money on the line, or at least more for the level of players. Poker programs are not that much stronger than humans now. In poker, it was more an issue of being able to see the other players’ cards in a televised game.
This is how he was doing it. He had help.
Goldfinger (1964) - Miami hotel pool scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kDdIL0tSeI
Anal beads was a joke thrown out by Canadian grandmaster Eric Hansen. Some internet people missed the joke and it went viral.
The strongest human player (Magnus Carlsen) has achieved a rating of just under 2900. The strongest computer programs (called engines in chess) achieve a rating of over 3500. A difference of 250 is a mismatch. Humans can no longer compete with computers.
There is Niemann's Sept. 6 admission after Round 5 of the Sinquefield Cup that he cheated online at ages 12 and 16.
The rest is "likely cheated," "appears to have cheated," and "suspect games". No evidence whatever of cheating over the board at any time has been alleged. It was alleged that he "likely" cheated up to 42 days after his 17th birthday. No allegation of cheating as an adult was alleged.
Magnus Carlsen lost to Hans Niemann on Sept. 5. On Sept. 5 at 6:20 PM Chess.com emailed Hans Niemann "Chess.com has elected to privately remove access from your account on Chess.com, and we are rescinding the invitation to join the CGC [tournament] per your qualified spot. Chess.com retains the right to close/remove access to any account at anytime without explanation — https://www.chess.com/legal/user-agreement — see “Termination”."
Chess.com had an offer accepted to acquire Play Magnus for $80M and the acquisition is in progress.
After losing to Niemann, Carlsen withdrew from the round robin tournament via tweet. In the next tournament, Carlsen played one move against Niemann and resigned.
The Chess.com method of statistical analysis is secret, not published, not peer reviewed, not generally accepted by the scientific community, and not acceptable by FIDE (the International Chess Federation) or courts.
Niemann played his first round game today at the U.S. Championship and won, streamed on Chess.com.
At major tournaments everyone entering the playing room is scanned head to toe for devices.
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