[Dr. Sivana]

Isn't this the forum that tells people on welfare to stop having kids if you can't afford them? Doesn't that apply to anyone/everyone? If you can't afford a van, stop at 3 kids, right? Or are we hypocrites?

No. This is not that forum. This is the forum that wants government to stop accommodating the murder of children and the roll back of regulations that hurt families.

It is okay to be poor. If you are poor, your children may be your only treasure. It is the lefties who want to spend $$$ of somebodies money to send everyone off to college and waste scads on social engineering in public schools, and make living, eating, using energy for driving and home, living in a modest house with no earth-friendly accouterments, possible.

This is not the forum that looks down on my parents who crammed 7 of us into a '61 Lancer with no seat belts.

[DJ MacWoW]

No. This is not that forum.

Yes. This is that forum.

This is not the forum that looks down on my parents who crammed 7 of us into a '61 Lancer with no seat belts.

We crammed 8 into a 61 Olds 98. Those days are over. There are a LOT more cars on the road, flimsier cars and more accidents. Keeping children safe is part of a parents job.

You are defending a couple who continuously flout the law. Good job!