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Thanks for the advice, as I have not looked through that clever part of FR which allows one to look back.

I did review the many posts Cathi has made, and while at it, looked at yours as well. You two seem on opposite poles of what many demand we see as one of only two sides on which to be. Pro-Putin. Pro-Zelensky.

If these were the two choices, perhaps greater clarity could be had, but I find there are more than two. The "not my circus and not my clowns" summary of a somewhat isolationist is certainly not yours, as your wrote, "The world got a war handed to them by Putin and his Russian supporters. Now we all have to deal with it." (11/24/2022)

I recall that iconic photo of Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich sitting together on a couch, quite the photoshop moment. Opponents? Friends?

Your comment above says "we" -- by the "world" -- got a war. But who are the combatants? Is the US a combatant under commander-and chief Biden? NATO under the command of Stoltenberg? If you cheer on Zelensky, are you also cheering on Biden and those Americans who have played so protifably in Ukraine for well over the last decade? Or maybe Nuland with her famous "f*ck Europe" on-mike classic?

I hold to the "not my circus" stance, which has a long tradition from Washington forward. No war has been formally declared by either Biden or the Congress. And yet, lest we forget "we" are busy with combatant status in Syria, And a "glorious end" to "our" Afghan war, another Biden circus, under previous management by Bush, Obama and Trump.

So your "now we all have to deal with it" statement is fully in compliance with the triumphant wins we have had in Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia and Kosovo, Syria, Sudan and beyond. "We" and Putin are neither pronouns or names with which I am willing to align. Not my circus. Not my clowns. But apparently your act is in the center ring, follow spot and all, and as best I can see, Biden is right there with you. Both of them, father and son. Good luck with that.

But wait. To Mariner, you wrote, "So you should welcome NATO and the USA sending in to Ukraine whatever arms it takes to crush Russia. That will save NATO and US taxpayers billions of dollars in the future. By your logic we should send Ukraine a few dozen atomic warheads and ballistic missiles so they can finish off Russia if necessary." So I guess you don't think we're actual combatants? Or at least we shouldn't start an atomic war? Sounds reasonable.

I'll agree with something you wrote. If Zelensky wins, "we all have to deal with it." And if Putin wins, "we all have to deal with it." And if.... Because "we all have to deal with it." Even though they're not my circus and not my clowns, I too will "have to deal with it." So will you. Regards.