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The Black Death may not have been spread by rats after all
Phys dot org ^ | January 18, 2023 | Samuel Cohn and Philip Slavin, The Conversation

Posted on 01/21/2023 7:16:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: Paal Gulli

I agree. One of the links regarding the Antonine Plague was to a similarly modeled paper.


81 posted on 01/21/2023 7:03:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Clearly the author’s “slow-moving rats” term wasn’t based on direct personal observation.


82 posted on 01/21/2023 7:05:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: fso301

The rats moving down the lines from ships to piers were observed and an account survived, but A) that’s unsurprising as observations go, and B) the writer didn’t note that the rats stopped to scratch themselves. :^)

Human crews probably contributed to the introduction and spread.

https://health.wyo.gov/wyoming-detects-rare-human-case-of-pneumonic-plague/


83 posted on 01/21/2023 7:10:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: mass55th

Any kind of tiny critter could be carrying it, probably, lots of parasitic mites and whatnot have been buggin’ the human race for ages.


84 posted on 01/21/2023 7:11:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: gundog

And voles, don’t forget them.


85 posted on 01/21/2023 7:12:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did they have Democrats back then?


86 posted on 01/21/2023 7:12:20 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: SunkenCiv

87 posted on 01/21/2023 7:17:11 PM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog

Looks like a vole is about to be called up yonder.


88 posted on 01/21/2023 7:17:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: redgolum

We used to get a bounty of a $1 per Crow. I don’t recall anybody ever shooting a crow and nobody got a dollar either!


89 posted on 01/22/2023 7:07:53 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: SunkenCiv
He’ll be there....


90 posted on 01/22/2023 7:27:39 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Clutch Martin

“We used to get a bounty of a $1 per Crow”
Now that you mention it, don’t birds carry some kind of mite or bloodsucker?


91 posted on 01/22/2023 10:01:34 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Bob434

Sorry I missed your post before making my own on bird mites.


92 posted on 01/22/2023 10:05:34 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

no worries, i post before reading replies too and repeat what others say=- it happens


93 posted on 01/22/2023 10:16:11 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Deaf Smith

“All world plagues and pandemics begin in China.”

Maybe there was some genetic variation that predisposed western people to infection by diseases that Mongolians were immune to. The inverse of this seems accepted re American Indians. While many Europians carried DNA from the Steppe migrations , many populations remained remote.

It would be easy enough I guess to compare genetic makeup and geography to recorded incidence. Since Germany and eastern parts of Europe would have had a higher concentration of Mongols, some variation of infections and death might show up assuming control for population density.

I only know enough to wonder about this.


94 posted on 01/22/2023 10:28:28 AM PST by tsomer
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