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To: Red Badger
In the battle of Hurtgen Forest in WW2 they sent an average of 1200 artillery shells a day...sometimes as many as five of six thousand a day.

Up to 10% of those were duds.

Do the math. They are constantly digging up unexploded ordinance over there.

They had a forest fire one time, and the people were scared half to death from the explosions of that stuff getting cooked off.

8 posted on 02/09/2023 11:52:41 AM PST by crz
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To: crz
Small potatoes. I believe the estimate for artillery shells fired daily in WW1 was around a million especially during the Battle of Verdun and the fighting on the Somme. That stuff is still in the ground, still dangerous and will probably be so for another 100 years.
17 posted on 02/09/2023 12:08:11 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: crz

Verdun in France, even worse. Massive WWI battle there, “Operation Gericht”.

Farmers are still getting blown up when their tractors hit buried Unexploded ordnance from 1916.

Land being reclaimed for farming and boom…


22 posted on 02/09/2023 12:11:16 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: crz
Oddly, the Germans in World War II had a logistical situation somewhat parallel to the forces engaged in the American Civil War. The bulk of the German logistics was either by rail or horse-drawn as was the case in the American Civil War.

If every artillery shell weighed 10 pounds and it had to be horse-drawn in caissons or in auxiliary wagons for supplementary ammunition, the logistical problems must've been staggering. Every horse drawing a wagon full of ammunition, kit foodstuffs and all of the necessary accoutrements of an army must be fed and most of the feed for all that large number of horses had to be carted along because the horses would soon exhaust any vegetation within range.

So more horses have to be used to feed the ones bringing the artillery shells and some horses had to be use to feed the ones bringing the feed, and so on.

I have no idea the quantity of artillery used at Gettysburg, for example, but we know that Pickett's charge ran into a devastating artillery barrage. How many shells at 10 pounds each were expended? How many horses were needed?

The logistical problems posed practical problems for the generals. For example, in an almost heartbreaking message Gen. Longstreet whose orders were to suppress the Yankee artillery, sent a urgent message saying, "for God sake" go now because I'm running out of ammunition. The consequences of running out of ammunition contributed to the fact that two out of three who went up in Pickett's charge did not come back.

We know the German soldiers in Russia in the latter part of the war there were often reduced to horsepower, the so-called Russian ponies, for want of petrol or just for want of machines. Those units that were not mechanized Panzer units were horse-drawn for the most part.


43 posted on 02/09/2023 12:59:05 PM PST by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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