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‘It was the wrong choice’: Retired ATF agents question commander’s decision to raid Mt. Carmel; adamant Branch Davidians fired first
kwtx ^ | Feb. 28, 2023 | Gordon Collier

Posted on 03/01/2023 3:42:27 PM PST by PROCON

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To: PROCON

The Democrat leaders were going to show everyone that they weren’t afraid of Americans with weapons.


61 posted on 03/01/2023 6:39:52 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: PROCON
Say, did they ever locate that lost front door? The one that showed entry holes on it, on the first day. The one the fibbies took for evidence and then misplaced, the entire door?

Incidentally, Schumer was in on the house hearings later.He made lib points laughing at the witnesses at the hearings, and defaming koresh's followers on the witness table testifying, poo pooing everything said with that famous smirk of his.

62 posted on 03/01/2023 6:55:51 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: PROCON

Last time I checked, it’s not illegal to stockpile weapons.


63 posted on 03/01/2023 7:07:03 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: PROCON
‘It was the wrong choice’: Retired ATF agents question commander’s decision to raid Mt. Carmel; adamant Branch Davidians fired first

So what!?   Why was the ATF attacking a Church Congregation?   How about knocking on the door and talking about your concerns with peaceful people, fool?

64 posted on 03/01/2023 7:12:34 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: PROCON

It was too much fun dressing up, playing soldier, and killing a bunch of people rather then just have the local Sheriff pick up Koresh when he went in to town.


65 posted on 03/01/2023 7:26:07 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: PROCON

ATF agents interviewed by the gaslight media. 100% chance of materially misleading statements.


66 posted on 03/01/2023 7:37:39 PM PST by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: dfwgator

Bush did appoint Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. Don’t think Clinton would have done that.

But otherwise, you are right.


67 posted on 03/01/2023 9:55:08 PM PST by sloanrb
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To: logi_cal869

... and those four agents were former Clinton bodyguards, IIRC.


68 posted on 03/01/2023 10:04:03 PM PST by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: coloradan

And scuttlebutt has it that those 4 were gonna turn on Clinton.

So he had loyal agents kill thise 4 as they were entering through an upstairs window.

That way they could blame it on the Davidians.


69 posted on 03/02/2023 1:02:25 AM PST by Syncro (Facts and Truth.)
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To: arthurus

The Biden ppl have blood on their hands for the over 100k poisoned by China fentany.

And a big part of the 1M killed by the Vax and or covid.


70 posted on 03/02/2023 1:11:05 AM PST by Syncro (Facts and Truth.)
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To: PROCON

You are right. Reno and Clinton were the true culprits inn this massacre. Clinton was trying to show he was a law and order President and Reno was a willing accomplice.


71 posted on 03/02/2023 4:00:04 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: PROCON

I love how Janet Reno said that Trump would never be president in her lifetime, and then she died the day before the election. It was glorious.


72 posted on 03/02/2023 6:14:57 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: PROCON

The videos show an ATF agent shooting himself in the leg as ha climbs a ladder. Then after some thugs climb in a window some bullet holes appear in the wall. The bullets were going into the building. The incompetent ATF killed each other. A total cluster****.


73 posted on 03/02/2023 7:11:24 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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"The videos show an ATF agent shooting himself in the leg as he climbs a ladder..."

I have heard that repeatedly. Does anyone actually have the video?

74 posted on 03/13/2023 6:43:41 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: PROCON

Hi.

I forget, how many children died in that charlie foxtrot?

5.56mm


75 posted on 03/13/2023 6:50:59 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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Hi Mike!

Killed in the fire were 76 Branch Davidians, including 25 children, two pregnant women, and David Koresh.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/national-news/28-years-ago-today-76-men-women-and-children-died-in-branch-davidian-compound-fire/

76 posted on 03/13/2023 6:55:36 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

Entire RAID was avoidable... regardless of who fired first.

They knew David Koresh’s routine, he routinely traveled alone, outside of the compound and could have been arrested without incident.

Reno/Clinton wanted a Big frog march video of removing him from the compound... so such a low key, low risk arrest was never going to be allowed.

I don’t remotely agree with David Koresh of his actions, but the actions of RENO were CRIMINAL and inexcusable... She should have been put into jail.


77 posted on 03/13/2023 6:58:28 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Seruzawa

The entire situation was avoidable...

Koresh could have been arrested without incident.. he routinely left the ranch alone... but that sort of low key arrest was never going to work for RENO/CLINTON they wanted a frog march out of the compound, so rather than a surprise arrest with low risk they chose a full frontal tactic.

RENO SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.

No, I don’t agree with David Koresh, but that does not excuse the criminality of the DOJ under RENO one bit.


78 posted on 03/13/2023 7:01:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: PROCON

I also should mention two names on the thread (sorry, I read the whole thing. My bad), that weren’t posted...

Wesley Clark and Ron Haruchi. (Explicative)

5.56mm


79 posted on 03/13/2023 7:11:14 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: Hatteras
"how many retired federal agents will be lamenting the orders they followed on behalf of the OBiden administration?"

Following or executing unlawful orders is against the law.! Those who do such should be prosecuted to the fullest..

80 posted on 03/13/2023 7:13:28 AM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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