higgmeister
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    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
    in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.   Improvident habits, slovenly
    systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
    property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.  A degraded
    sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its
    dignity and sanctity.  The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must
    belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or
    a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam
    has ceased to be a great power among men."

    "Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities.   Thousands become the
    brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die.   But the influence
    of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.   Far from being moribund,
    Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith.   It has already spread
    throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were
    it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science
    against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might
    fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

   -- Winston Churchill



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    I've lived in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, Virginia, California, Florida, and Praia da Vitoria, Illa Terceira, The Azores, Portugal (where my daughter was born).

   I've visited Juarez, Mexico; Toronto, Ontario, Canada (to tour the Algonquin Provincial Park by canoe); and our de facto fifty-first state of Puerto Rico.


There is a difference between a libertarian and a libertine.

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
[lib-er-tair-ee-uhn]
–noun
1. a person who advocates liberty, esp. with regard to thought or conduct.
2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will.
–adjective
3. advocating liberty or conforming to principles of liberty.
4. maintaining the doctrine of free will.

[Origin: 1780–90; libert(y) + -arian

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

You say "BTW, libertarianism doesn't make sense," yet Our Founding Fathers were libertarian. That is where I got the idea.

From Wikipedia:
The term libertarianism refers to a political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty and avoid harming others by abusing their liberty.

Doesn't that sound like the Golden Rule applied to Adults?   "Your freedom ends where my nose begins."

Would you care to parse that statement and tell me I'm not the absolute owner of my life? That I should not be free to own my property?
If I had to tag myself, I would say I am a Goldwater libertarian objectivist Republican.

I'm not at all out of line with the values of this forum. Look at these words from the Republican Liberty Caucus:

Liberty Compact: A Candidate's Pledge

The Liberty Compact is a written pledge inspired by the words of the late Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) in his book, "Conscience of a Conservative," which promotes the belief that government isn't the solution, but all too often, the problem. The pledge reads as follows:

"I, (insert name), pledge to the citizens of the State of (insert state) and to the American people, that as their elected representative I will work to: Restore liberty, not restrict it; shrink government, not expand it; reduce taxes, not raise them; abolish programs, not create them; promote the freedom and independence of citizens, not the interference of government in their lives; and observe the limited, enumerated powers of our Constitution, not ignore them."

I seem to remember in 1964, Barry Goldwater was the political founder of our modern day Conservative movement when he wrested control of the Republican Party from the liberal Rockefeller Republicans and paved the way for every Republican President since.

I suggest you chide me for something else, being "small ell" libertarian is no vice.

I joined the Libertarian Party in disgust the moment after the Federal Budget Crisis of '98,, when Congress lead by my own Congressman, Speaker Newt Gingrich, caved in to that President Bill Clinton, and sent him a revised budget instead of forcing him to shut the government down. In the case of all previous Budget Crises our Republican Presidents have given in to Congress.

I haven't given dues to, or been to a meeting of, the Libertarian Party since just after 9/11 when I saw the schism building between those in the Libertarian Party that saw attacks by Islam as initiation of force (thus requiring a principled libertarian response), and those that thought the use of force by Islam was retaliation for transgressions by the the US (Paulists, etc.). I will not support those LP pacifists ever again.

There you have mea maxima culpa. I'm not very ashamed of it.

      posted on 04/28/2007 2:42:45 AM EDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)