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Selling gold and other coins to jewelers, dealers
May 6, 2023 | grumpygresh

Posted on 05/06/2023 9:50:17 AM PDT by grumpygresh

With new rules requiring IRS disclosure for all sales over $600, and in view of the fact that eBay dealers were specifically mentioned, does anyone have any idea of what buyers and sellers are doing for sales over $600 privately? How about a seller to a jewelry store or gold dealer?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: 1099; coins; gold
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1 posted on 05/06/2023 9:50:17 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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Hmmmm? Seems like a fair question. With gold over $2k/oz some folks may be in a selling mood.


2 posted on 05/06/2023 9:52:38 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with thisđź’©? đźš«đź’‰)
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The last time I sold to a local dealer they took my ID. I never got anything from them.

But if you keep accurate records, the gains are pretty easy to calculate and report. It’s no different than any other investment.

If you think you are going to get away with not paying taxes…they will find you. And they will screw you.


3 posted on 05/06/2023 9:54:11 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

“If you think you are going to get away with not paying taxes…they will find you. And they will screw you.”

It’s called tyranny.


4 posted on 05/06/2023 9:58:26 AM PDT by dljordan
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Since it’s hard to get spot when you buy or sell, I imagine a private sale between individuals for spot would be pretty attractive for both parties. To seek to arrange such a purchase/sale on social media would be tantamount to announcing to the world what you’re both doing.

If I were to be selling party to such a deal I would have the necessary paperwork on my person in the event it was a sting. If my buyer turned out to be one of those 87,000 new public servants the Eye Are Ess has hired, my position would be that I’m in compliance, just waiting for the deal to be complete.


5 posted on 05/06/2023 9:59:53 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: grumpygresh

If I buy official US minted gold Eagle or Buffalo coins, and sell one later,
should I expect to be taxed on the Dollar Deflation that I bought it to resist
in the first place?

Do I need to keep my receipt to show that the entire coin should not be treated
as income?

What is the likelihood that our government will make gold ownership illegal
again, and make me sell it to the government for pennies on the Dollar?

I’m no longer certain Americans are running this clown show.


6 posted on 05/06/2023 10:01:38 AM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see. #MAGA-AaA)
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Since it’s hard to get spot when you buy or sell, I imagine a private sale between individuals for spot would be pretty attractive for both parties. To seek to arrange such a purchase/sale on social media would be tantamount to announcing to the world what you’re both doing.........

or what you’re holding


7 posted on 05/06/2023 10:11:28 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: muir_redwoods

“a private sale between individuals for spot would be pretty attractive for both parties”

I agree......kinda like guns IMO.

I’ve sold many but have yet to sell one to a dealer.....it’s been private buyers every time.....also, although you can’t avoid the tax deal, cars too for that matter if you have the time snd patience....a car dealership will always screw you on a trade in.


8 posted on 05/06/2023 10:23:52 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: thinden

“ or what you’re holding”

The gold or the Glock?


9 posted on 05/06/2023 10:24:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: grumpygresh

Call the money changer. They are on top of it.
https://the-moneychanger.com


10 posted on 05/06/2023 10:31:05 AM PDT by Salvavida
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To: V_TWIN

It could be the reason for all the IRS agents. They can go out and pose as sellers of gold, jewelry and if the buyer doesn’t ask for ID that is needed for IRS disclosure, then the target gets an audit. Classic entrapment scheme like the covid money.
The idea is to shut down the small cash, garage sale economy and harvest money through audits and prosecutions.
I would think this would also tend to depress gold prices and other commodities as a store of value because you have to report it as regular income subject to tax.
If you’re a seller, how do you prove where and how much you originally bought the gold, jewelry in the first place? Most people other than the most meticulous would not have records of purchases for valuables bought long ago.
It’s like they are treating every seller as professional retailer.


11 posted on 05/06/2023 10:39:02 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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This is not the time to sell your gold and silver. We will soon be going on a new gold and silver backed monetary system. You want to wait awhile.


12 posted on 05/06/2023 10:41:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Vermont Lt

A lot of people wouldn’t have records of these purchases if bought long ago. How many people have their receipt for their wedding ring? It’s not like buying a stock or bond or ETF that is automatically registered.


13 posted on 05/06/2023 10:44:08 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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Hi.

When you buy gold you get an invoice/receipt. When you sell gold you get an invoice/receipt.

The difference when you sell can be positive or negative. That’s called a capital gain or loss.

Factors like timing come into play. Short term capital gain/loss, long term capital gain/loss.

Reportable on your IRS form 1040. I forget which schedule.

Hope that helps.

5.56mm


14 posted on 05/06/2023 10:54:43 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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How will you conduct transactions in the event of an emergency?

Do you envision trading gold for food?

Assuming both 'survivalists' are armed, how do you avoid mistrust?

Forget reporting concerns....How do you safely conduct an honest transaction in an emergency?

15 posted on 05/06/2023 11:06:42 AM PDT by G Larry ( DEI = Division + Erroneous Indoctrination)
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I prefer to buy precious metal stocks or mutual funds. I made a significant investment in SGGDX on May 15, and the fund’s price has already risen nearly 15% since then. I can also count on dividends from the fund. If I decide to sell or buy more shares, it will be quick and easy.


16 posted on 05/06/2023 11:06:58 AM PDT by windsorknot
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Talk to a few coin store owners in your area and see what their willing to do for you. More than likely you’ll find one who is willing to transact business privately without your having to produce identification.

Coin shows are another place to meet gold buyers, although be careful about price shopping as coin show venders tend to stick together.

I would avoid any sort of online transaction though if your wishing to maintain privacy.


17 posted on 05/06/2023 11:07:50 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: grumpygresh

Bartering is going to become popular again.


18 posted on 05/06/2023 11:16:13 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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Gold and Silver bullion sales under 10K isn’t a reportable financial transaction


19 posted on 05/06/2023 11:19:05 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: EasySt

I buy 10th Oz. 1 or 2 at at a time. Have done so for years. A little more expensive but never over the threshold of $600 yet. Easier to trade with in smaller denominations.


20 posted on 05/06/2023 11:20:53 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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