Posted on 05/28/2023 4:11:18 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
I call BS
—”Maybe it’s just that the Kinzhal is not all it was claimed to be.”
And that has caused some hard problems for its designers.
Over-promising was a bad idea and they may not live to tell.
Thanks
I Liked It.
How could That system be Improved?
...and all done in 2 weeks!!!
Are you old enough to understand what the phrase “too good to be true” actually means? ... This is nonsense to meant to distract from the recent massive loss to a bunch of convicts and their leader, a former chef with no previous military experience.
Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Go Ukraine!
—”They claim alot.”
This is verified by Putin’s reaction to the downing of his “unstoppable missiles”
Russia detains hypersonic missile engineers for treason
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russia-detains-hypersonic-missile-engineers-171422543.html
The propaganda is getting increasingly desperate in maintaining the hype over overpriced dusfunctional stuff, but the truth comes out over time. You don’t hear about Saint Javelin and Holy Baytaktar much anymore, Reverend HIMARS is following them into oblivion.
—”Raytheon Electronic Systems “
An old engineer I worked with had previously worked for Raytheon, not a storyteller, but he had one questionable tale.
The story was that some early missile systems used core memory that was hand-assembled... but they could not find Americans skilled in the work and were allowed to ship it to Taiwan...and the Taiwanese, in turn, subbed it out to the Chinese!
So our early missile memory systems were MADE IN CHINA!
Possible?
—”I call BS”
What is your explanation?
This is verified by Putin’s reaction to the downing of his “unstoppable missiles”
Russia detains hypersonic missile engineers for treason
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russia-detains-hypersonic-missile-engineers-171422543.html
And I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you
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It’s a Propagana War.
We haven’t gotten any truth from the beginning. If they didn’t have ulterior motives there would be no reason for the embedded Propaganda Accounts Musk found on Twitter.
This is Cohen in Prague and Trump being a Russian agent.
Of course, it’s all sides (can’t say both).
Look what Germany did with Nordstream. They mocked Trump openly. A Russian state owned / operated Companly lobbied Biden with just a $1 Million dollars - and Biden unfroze and approved the Nordstream pipeline- and Biden cited - “Climate Change” in approving it. Ironic because when it was destroyed under Biden it was an Ecological Disaster, and the largest man made release of Methane in the history of the World.
We are way, way more than just friends with Ukraine.
Ukraine is becoming the greatest asset for America against the Neo Soviets and the deep-state mafia running the Kremlin.
Here, to keep you informed :
United States-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership
Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs
Washington, DC
December 19, 2008
Preamble
The United States of America and Ukraine:
Affirm the importance of our relationship as friends and strategic partners. We intend to deepen our partnership to the benefit of both nations and expand our cooperation across a broad spectrum of mutual priorities.
Emphasize that this cooperation between our two democracies is based on shared values and interests. These include expanding democracy and economic freedom, protecting security and territorial integrity, strengthening the rule of law, and supporting innovation and technological advances.
Stress our mutual desire to strengthen our relationship across the economic, political, diplomatic, cultural, and security fields.
Confirm the importance of the security assurances described in the Trilateral Statement by the Presidents of the U.S., Russian Federation and Ukraine of January 14, 1994, and the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of December 5, 1994.
Affirm the Priorities for U.S.-Ukraine Cooperation (Road Map) signed on March 31, 2008 and the commitments to a strategic partnership made by Presidents Bush and Yushchenko on April 4, 2005.
Section I: Principles of Cooperation
This Charter is based on core principles and beliefs shared by both sides:
Support for each other’s sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and inviolability of borders constitutes the foundation of our bilateral relations.
Our friendship comes from mutual understanding and appreciation for the shared belief that democracy is the chief guarantor of security, prosperity and freedom.
Cooperation between democracies on defense and security is essential to respond effectively to threats to peace and security.
A strong, independent and democratic Ukraine, capable of responsible self-defense, contributes to the security and prosperity not only of all the people of Ukraine, but of a Europe whole, free and at peace.
Section II: Defense and Security Cooperation
The United States and Ukraine share a vital interest in a strong, independent, and democratic Ukraine. Deepening Ukraine’s integration into Euro-Atlantic institutions is a mutual priority. We plan to undertake a program of enhanced security cooperation intended to increase Ukrainian capabilities and to strengthen Ukraine’s candidacy for NATO membership.
Guided by the April 3, 2008 Bucharest Summit Declaration of the NATO North Atlantic Council and the April 4, 2008 Joint Statement of the NATO-Ukraine Commission, which affirmed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO.
Recognizing the persistence of threats to global peace and stability, the United States and Ukraine intend to expand the scope of their ongoing programs of cooperation and assistance on defense and security issues to defeat these threats and to promote peace and stability. A defense and security cooperation partnership between the United States and Ukraine is of benefit to both nations and the region.
Working within the framework of the NATO-Ukraine Commission, our goal is to gain agreement on a structured plan to increase interoperability and coordination of capabilities between NATO and Ukraine, including via enhanced training and equipment for Ukrainian armed forces.
Acknowledging the growing threat posed by the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the United States and Ukraine pledge to combat such proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and dangerous technologies through adherence to international nonproliferation standards and effective enforcement and strengthening of export controls.
Section III: Economic, Trade and Energy Cooperation
The United States and Ukraine intend to expand cooperation to enhance job creation and economic growth, support economic reform and liberalization, develop a business climate supportive of trade and investment and improve market access for goods and services. Recognizing that trade is essential for global economic growth, development, freedom and prosperity, the United States and Ukraine support the following initiatives:
Welcoming Ukraine’s accession to the World Trade Organization on May 16, 2008, the parties held the first U.S.-Ukraine Trade and Investment Council meeting on October 2, 2008 in Kyiv. As discussed at the meeting, the United States continues to support Ukraine’s efforts to implement its WTO commitments. Other areas in which we plan to accelerate our efforts include expanding market access, resolving outstanding disputes and promoting intellectual property rights. Acknowledging the importance of increased investment to economic growth and development, the United States supports Ukraine’s efforts to enhance investor protections.
Recognizing the importance of a well functioning energy sector, the parties intend to work closely together on rehabilitating and modernizing the capacity of Ukraine’s gas transit infrastructure and diversify and secure Ukraine’s sources of nuclear fuel making Ukraine less dependent on foreign sources of nuclear fuel and nuclear fuel storage.
Following the Roadmap of Priorities for U.S.-Ukraine Cooperation, the United States and Ukraine intend to launch the work of the Bilateral Energy Security Working Group. Consistent with the U.S.-EU Summit Declaration of June 10, 2008, the United States and Ukraine intend to enhance a trilateral dialogue with the European Union on enhanced energy security.
Actively developing cooperation with Ukraine’s regions, including Crimea, the United States supports Ukraine’s plan to promote security, democracy and prosperity through expanded economic development, energy conservation, food security, and good governance initiatives. The United States and Ukraine also intend to cooperate in the area of public-private partnerships in regions of Ukraine aimed at supporting small and medium enterprises.
Section IV: Strengthening Democracy
Strengthening the rule of law, promoting reform of the legal system and of law enforcement structures and combating corruption are all of key importance to the well being of Ukraine. We intend to work together to support reform, democracy, tolerance and respect for all communities.
The United States and Ukraine will enhance their cooperation on efforts to strengthen the judiciary, increasing professionalism, transparency and independence as well as improving legal education and improved access to justice for all Ukrainians.
Through enhanced law enforcement and judicial branch relationships, the United States and Ukraine plan to address common transnational criminal threats such as terrorism, organized crime, trafficking in persons and narcotics, money laundering, and cyber crime.
Recognizing the importance of combating corruption, the United States and Ukraine intend to increase cooperation that will expand media and public monitoring of anti-corruption efforts; enforce ethical standards by establishing internal investigation units; and streamline the government regulatory process.
The United States and Ukraine plan to work together to promote reform in Ukraine’s legislative processes through increased transparency, heightened accountability through citizen and media access, and expanded public information about the work of Ukraine’s parliament.
Recognizing the importance of harmonizing Ukraine’s criminal justice system with European and other international standards, we plan to work together more intensely on issues of key importance, including the adoption of a Criminal Procedure Code compliant with Council of Europe standards.
The United States plans to provide Ukraine with further technical assistance to support Ukraine’s efforts through government and judicial authorities to combat human trafficking, including strengthening witness protection.
The United States supports increased assistance to strengthen democracy building and good governance in order to build upon Ukraine’s political progress and commitment to democratic development.
Section V: Increasing People-to-People and Cultural Exchanges
The United States and Ukraine share a desire to increase our people-to-people contacts and enhance our cultural, educational and professional exchange programs that promote democracy and democratic values and increase mutual understanding.
Recognizing the vital importance of increased contact between the people of the United States and Ukraine, both sides intend to promote further cultural and social exchanges and activities through initiatives such as the Fulbright program, Future Leaders Exchange Program (FLEX), Undergraduate Exchange (UGRAD), Legislative Education and Practice (LEAP), the International Visitor Leadership Program, the English Language Teaching and Learning Program and the Open World Program.
Stressing the necessity of innovation and dynamism to the future of our two countries, the United States and Ukraine intend to promote increased cooperation in higher education and scientific research. The United States will facilitate these exchanges consistent with U.S. laws and procedures so that qualified individuals in cultural, educational and scientific activities are given the opportunity to participate.
Our two countries will continue to cooperate closely to promote remembrance and increased public awareness of the 1932-33 Great Famine (Holodomor) in Ukraine.
Ukraine welcomes the United States’ intention to establish an American diplomatic presence (American Presence Post) in Simferopol.
Signed at Washington, D.C. on December 19, 2008.
For the United States of America: For Ukraine:
Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of State
Volodymyr Ogryzko
Minister of Foreign Affairs
very questionable source
That’s a sobering article. It matches the sources that I look to for information. Russia has adjusted and they are a much more competent military. Russia has their weapons production on a war footing and they are turning out all kinds of weapons and ammunition. I don’t have a dog in this fight but if I had to bet I would put a stack of money on the Russians.
Oh good grief. There is enough of this crap on this website now.
Ukraine is our friend only as long as they can suck on the teat of the American taxpayer.
And that is it.
We’re going to “work together on corruption”. Right. It just doesn’t mean what horse’s asses like you think it means.
—”How could That system be Improved?”
As a pure guess, they are not modifying hardware or soft were but recall from the video the Pac-2/ Pac-3/ Pac-3 MSE missiles...
“The PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (PAC-3 MSE), fielded in 2015, represents the next generation PAC-3 missile and provides expanded battlespace performance against evolving threats. The PAC-3 MSE improves upon the original PAC-3 capability with a higher performance solid rocket motor, modified lethality enhancer, more responsive control surfaces, upgraded guidance software and insensitive munitions improvements.”
That and slightly pushing the design specifications to the very edge through the user input system.
A pure guess.
Interesting, thank you.
—”very questionable source”
PLS point us to your oracle and font of truth.
So we may know the true facts.
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