Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Smoking is back and it’s still cool (and deadly)
The Guardian ^ | July 2, 2023 | Eva Weisman

Posted on 07/24/2023 8:01:34 PM PDT by DoodleBob

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 201-202 next last
To: metmom

“The stench of stale cigarette smoke on my clothing and hair was hardly what I would ever have called nostalgic.”

Back in the day when me and my buddy went out chasing tail at the local bars and night clubs smoking was everywhere. Didn’t matter how cold it was or how far we had to walk we would leave our coats in the car so they didn’t get polluted with smoke. Anytime I wore a sweater out I would hang it outside when I got home in the hopes of airing it out. Stale smoke is a hellish smell IMO.


61 posted on 07/25/2023 2:06:51 AM PDT by WinMod70
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Fai Mao

Yep. That was always my position too. Let the market decide. Some restaurants/bars would have no smoking at all. The anti smoking fanatics could go there if they wished. The people who didn’t want to work in an environment with smoke could work there. Others would cater to smokers and the people who didn’t mind would go there.

Freedom of choice. Nobody is forcing anybody to go to a place where there is smoking if they don’t want to.

But of course, the Left is not at all about choice except in one area only. Which is why I continually taunt them with “You ARE pro choice aren’t you?” when it comes to this, the “vax”, school vouchers, and lots of other things.


62 posted on 07/25/2023 3:15:10 AM PDT by FLT-bird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

i don’t smoke but whenever i see someone light up outside i think “good for you”
It’s not a crime (yet)


63 posted on 07/25/2023 3:21:05 AM PDT by ronniesgal (friends don't let friends be Kardashians)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

I tried all the crap they could come up with to stop smoking. None of that crap worked and it was a waste of money. I too finally just quit smoking about seven years ago and have not smoked one cigarette since quitting. Those “ecigs” caused me to quit. I used them for a while and just got sick of sucking in that juice. I finally said, “That’s it. I’m done.” My wife quit cigarettes also but “vapes”. At least that’s better than smoking. I credit those ecigs with getting me off cigarettes. Over seven years smoke free.


64 posted on 07/25/2023 3:47:10 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("There's no cryin' in baseball and there's no ethics in politics!" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

that figures

i just quit


65 posted on 07/25/2023 3:50:43 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

They’ve spent years trying to demonize and ultimately ban cigarettes while at the same time trying to legalize marijuana. Go figure


66 posted on 07/25/2023 3:50:51 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy; lee martell; Nervous Tick; Mogger; Fai Mao; Mears; DIRTYSECRET; NorthMountain; ...
I hope smoking comes roaring back…

Good God, why?

Because I cherish liberty and freedom. And it signals that a class of Karens and Brandons may be on the descent.

You can draw a very bright line from the successful weaponization of anti-tobacco sentiment, and the destruction of rights, specifically those of commercial property owners such as the owners of cafes, restaurants, bars, stores, environmentalism, and the knock-on effects on civil liberties during COVID-1984.

In 1995, California was the first state to enact a statewide smoking ban for restaurants. I worked in NYC when the idea to ban smoking in bars and clubs gained steam, and ultimately passed in 2002. It sparked a citywide debate, with the pro-ban people gaining the upper hand. I mean, how can you defeat leftist-based emotional argument of "I won't die of secondhand smoke and my clothes won't smell"?

And there was much rejoicing. Except...what really happened was a sort-of violation of the Takings clause. What all the anti-smokers et al achieved was the sanctioning of the state to tell commercial property owners what can and can't happen on their property, without compensation.

NY has moved beyond bars, clubs, offices, and public places to outdoors. Other municipalities have enacted similar takings, erm, bans. Nobody fights for commercial property rights anymore. Marx and Engels are laughing in hell.

Second-hand smoke is what economists call an externality - an indirect cost or benefit to an uninvolved third party that arises as an effect of another party's (or parties') activity. Guess what else is an externality? Air pollution, specifically exhaust from motor vehicles. The same folks who complain about the smell of smoke are likely driving cars with an internal combustion engine. This may be only one example of an externality, but the whole environmental movement rests on "the need for government to regulate industry to make the air clean." You can draw a straight line from the “ban smoking indoors” movement to Greta Thunberg.

The whole concept of negative externalities, which worked so swimmingly in the anti-smoking crusade, got weaponized in Covid. When the shots that were granted EUAs rolled out, many people refused to take them. We then saw the pro-shot talking heads brandish anti-smoking arguments - remember "The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers." Regarding masks, we got Mandatory masking? What smoking bans can teach us

Despite well-documented health consequences of indoor smoking, efforts to ban the behavior were met with intense political resistance and an all-too-familiar civil liberties debate, just as we see today. But science, combined with social and political initiatives that were responsive to public concerns, eventually spurred a large-scale shift in public opinion around smoking bans. From this experience, three lessons can inform how to improve adherence to universal masking -- a life-saving public health measure: 1. Frame masking as a workers' rights issue, 2. Mandates are necessary because they work, and 3. Don't lose sight of the last mile.

Again, I don’t smoke, and I also don’t like smelling like a chimney (or nowadays, like a pot dispensary) after a night at a club or restaurant. But liberty isn’t always clean and antiseptic; second-hand smoke is a cost of freedom.

The anti-smoking campaign that gave the government an inroad into whittling away rights under the guise of public health has continue unabated.

If smoking is making a comeback, that means love of liberty may also be on the ascent. Smoke up, Johnny.

67 posted on 07/25/2023 4:02:08 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: joshua c

There’s always chewing tobacco.


68 posted on 07/25/2023 4:04:40 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

The same people who have a mad-on for tobacco are legalizing weed.

Go figure.


69 posted on 07/25/2023 4:12:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

Of the 58yrs I’ve been smoking, 33 have been in the condo I’m in now. In 2017, I had the place rehabbed and got all new furniture and floors/oriental rugs: $55,000. I don’t smoke inside anymore. I had an irregular flagstone patio built out back, and also smoke in the garage. Vaping scares me; I tried it 2x and got way too much smoke. Blew out my throat and lungs for a few hours.

Also:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/what-does-vaping-do-to-your-lungs#:~:text=Diacetyl%20is%20frequently%20added%20to,lung%20—%20which%20makes%20breathing%20difficult.


70 posted on 07/25/2023 4:22:30 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: PROCON

Is the tobacco for those cigs, grown on the reservation?


71 posted on 07/25/2023 4:23:36 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

There are some cheaper brands now


72 posted on 07/25/2023 4:26:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

+1


73 posted on 07/25/2023 4:43:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not a government. It's a criminal enterprise. Fear it, but do not respect it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

Were that true it would have improved the flavor of scotch. Scotch is whiskey for people with bad taste enough and enough money that they have to flaunt their bad taste by intentionally buying it.


74 posted on 07/25/2023 4:48:04 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

“The demonization of smoking and banning of smoking in bars and restaurants, ostensibly in the name of public health, was an effective government taking without compensation.”

Brought to us by the same unholy politician/media alliance that’s pushing global warming, gun control, transgenderism, statue removal, EV’s and all the other woke crap we loathe. It’s all about total control of people from the top down...nothing more.


75 posted on 07/25/2023 4:48:42 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

“The other scenario is to eat healthy, exercise and think pure thoughts.”

And then croak like everyone else.


76 posted on 07/25/2023 4:50:24 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob

The time for people to get hooked on tobacco for a lifetime of addiction is over, there may be fads and enclaves but its day has passed.

The government will never again have the opportunity of decades of issuing taxpayer-paid free daily cigarettes to 30 million or so of its captive employees for decades.


77 posted on 07/25/2023 4:56:22 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: Hot Tabasco

Getting people on pot is very important to the left and it will be very effective for them.


78 posted on 07/25/2023 5:00:48 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob
"The demonization of smoking and banning of smoking in bars and restaurants, ostensibly in the name of public health, was an effective government taking without compensation."

Yup, that's when it all started. That, and seat belts.. And now Uncle thinks anything and every thing belongs to him.......or her......whatever... :(

79 posted on 07/25/2023 5:08:28 AM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoodleBob
The anti-smoking campaign that gave the government an inroad into whittling away rights under the guise of public health has continue unabated.

Under the guise of? It IS a health issue. The health risks of smoking are not made up.

And non-smokers do not want their right to breathe clean air taken from them by inconsiderate smokers.

I find it interesting that libertarians and many smokers demand their right to do whatever they want regardless of the effects it has on others, and then tell off others that if they don't like it they can move, and restrict their rights to accommodate the smokers/libertarians.

It all depends on whose rights are they feel are being violated. If it's theirs, the world is ending. If they are violating others, tough beans for the others. Most libertarians/smokers are all for freedom to do what they want but not for others to do the same.

Libertarians are as a whole seriously lacking in common courtesy at a very basic level.

FWIW, I don't want others peeing in the pool water either.

80 posted on 07/25/2023 5:08:43 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 201-202 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson