[ProgressingAmerica]

sigh and back to the civil war we go. I see that one member of the pack showed up, that means the whole crew is almost certain to show up.

Ok, look, I've seen how these go. This roving pack that you guys have always pick on one thing, drive the whole discussion off topic and 300 posts later yet another discussion with the same 10 people on either side saying the same pre-packaged things with nothing new to add.

I'm trying to talk about the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project/progressives, that's all. You guys will have plenty of time for your civil war re-enactments in other non-civil-war related discussions.

[DiogenesLamp]

I had every intention of skipping this thread. If it gets more interesting I might jump in, but so far... no.

[jeffersondem]

“This roving pack . . . with the same 10 people on either side saying the same pre-packaged things with nothing new to add.”

You should read posts by woodpusher.

He posts little known, but relevant, documentation that can change the opinions of people with open minds. There are others too.

But I will try and respect your desire to discuss the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project (fabricated in 2019) in a vacuum, excluding everything in the intervening 240 years.

[woodpusher]

I'm trying to talk about the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project/progressives, that's all.

The first slaves in what became the American colonies arrived in 1526 in Florida, in a location near present day Sapelo Island, Georgia. This appears relevant but inconvenient for the 1619 project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_V%C3%A1zquez_de_Ayll%C3%B3n

Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón[a] (c. 1480[1] – 18 October 1526) was a Spanish magistrate and explorer who in 1526 established the short-lived San Miguel de Gualdape colony, one of the first European attempts at a settlement in what is now the United States. Ayllón's account of the region inspired a number of later attempts by the Spanish and French governments to colonize the southeastern United States. ...

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2019/08/29/before-1619-africans-and-the-early-history-of-spanish-colonial-florida-and-america-column/

Of course, it is worth noting that every 16th century Spanish expedition to Florida included Africans, both free and enslaved. The first recorded slaves to reach La Florida arrived in late September 1526 as part of the Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón expedition. Ayllón brought as many as 100 slaves to support a new Spanish settlement, which he named San Miguel de Gualdape (near present-day Sapelo Island, Ga.). The short-lived colony endured for less than two months; many of the slaves rebelled and by November 1526 the settlement was abandoned.

1526 was also the year of the first slave rebellion, which was a success.