Dave Gahary Says We’re Close to Civil War

Truth Jihad ^ | August 29, 2023 | Kevin Barrett and Dave Gahary

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They say Colombia’s civil war lasted for decades. Maybe the same was true of Lebanon’s. That may be what we’re in for. Not a war between states or governments, but between paramilitary factions, or between such factions and the local, regional or national governments. More like China in the days of the regional war lords than the American American or Spanish Civil War.

[Dead Corpse]

Well... Wrong. Over the aprox 2 million people in the Colonies in the later decades of the 1700’s... only 230k fought in the Colonial Army.

https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/facts-continental-army

[logi_cal869]

Anyone who doesn’t agree that it’s already ongoing is a denialist.

Wake the eff up or go downrange.

[logi_cal869]

Anyone who doesn’t agree that it’s already ongoing is a denialist.

Wake the eff up or go downrange.

Irony:

"This is a civil war."

- Jon Voight

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[ought-six]

“Well... Wrong. Over the aprox 2 million people in the Colonies in the later decades of the 1700’s... only 230k fought in the Colonial Army.”

I said the breakdown in the colonies was 1/3 supported independence; 1/3 supported the king; and 1/3 took a wait-and-see attitude. I said nothing about serving in the Continental Army.

Nice try, though.

[Bratch]

Old Mules

August 30, 2023 | Sundance | 179 Comments

In 1946, a small town of Athens, Tennessee, became a true battleground, as a siege was laid on the town jail by crowd mostly consisted of WWII veterans who decided to take justice into their own hands, as the local politics were plagued by corruption, police brutality and electoral fraud.

The political turmoil was present prior to the Second World War, when an influential political figure in from Memphis, Edward Hull “Boss” Crump, appointed Paul Cantrell as the candidate for Sheriff in 1936. Cantrell won the election in what became known as the “vote grab of 1936”.

Around that time a system of fees was introduced in the Sheriff’s office, which meant that a fee would be paid per arrest. The system proved to be very dysfunctional ― shady arrests were made, often without substantial evidence, which also included numerous fines for “drunkenness” and “fee grabbing” from tourists and travelers on a similar pretext. In a period between 1936 and 1946, it is estimated that more than 300,000 dollars amounted to these fees.

In the meantime, Cantrell ran for State Senate, leaving his trusty deputy, Pat Mansfield, in charge. The racquet worsened, and the local population was greatly displeased. After several investigations by the U.S. Department of Justice failed to make a dent in this lucrative violation of authority, the situation reached its boiling point.

During wartime, thousands of men from the McMinn County, which includes Athens, joined the fight against fascism overseas. The shortage of able men led to low criteria in employing law-enforcement officers, which often included ex-convicts with violent criminal records.

As the war ended in 1945, around 3,000 soldiers from McMinn returned home, only to find that the corruptive local government was stronger than ever. Apart from the sheriff’s office, the corrupt clique, controlled by E. H. Crump held the local media, schools, and pretty much all of the government institutions.

The GI’s decided to respond to this. During the 1946 local elections, they formed a non-partisan political option, stating their candidates. Knox Henry, a decorated veteran of the North African campaign, was elected by the GI party to run against Cantrell who was once again running for Sheriff, while his former deputy Mansfield was holding the chair.

Due to prior scams involved in local elections, the GI’s pointed out their slogan ― Your Vote Will Be Counted As Cast.

In addition, a precaution measure was made ― another veteran, Bill White, organized a militia which was to observe the voting process in case Cantrell and Mansfield tried to rig them again. The veteran militia adopted the name The Fighting Bunch, and pistols were handed out to around 60 men who joined in.

The elections scheduled for the 1st of August 1946 were followed by a number of incidents. On one of the polling places in Athens, an elderly African American farmer called Tom Gillespie was refused to cast his vote by Sheriff Mansfield’s patrolman, C.M. “Windy” Wise.

Wise used racists slurs, despite the presence of a protesting GI poll watcher, and denied Gillespie his right to vote. The deputy then hit Gillespie with a brass knuckle. The farmer dropped his ballot and tried to run away. In response, Wise pulled out his gun and shot him in the back.

This event sparked more quarrel. After a few stand-offs between Sheriff Mansfield’s deputies and the GI militia, a crowd was gathered in protest of the obvious violation of protocol and the clear intention of the administration to rig the election and keep the office despite the will of the people.

The drop that spilled the cup was the arrest and brutal beating of Bob Hairrell, who was one of the poll watchers. Hairrell protested when a girl was brought in by the deputies to cast her ballot, despite the fact that she had no poll tax receipt and who was not listed in the voter registration. The girl also seemed to be underage.

In response to Hairrell’s protest, he was arrested, and the voting process was halted on that polling place. The ballot box, together with the handcuffed GI was taken to the county jail in the town of Athens.

After hearing this, Bill White ordered his men to break into the National Guard Armory to steal weapons. After they looted the armory, White’s fighting bunch was prepared for combat. They had 60 Enfield rifles, two Thompson sub-machine guns and enough ammo to start a minor war in the McMinn County.

When the polls closed, all ballot boxes were transported to the same jail. Allegedly, White responded to the given situation by saying:

Boy, they doing something. I’m glad they done that. Now, all we got to do is whip on the jail.

Very soon, a siege was laid on the county jail. Paul Cantrell, Pat Mansfield, and around 50 or more deputies were caught red-handed while counting the votes without the presence of the second party. The GI’s occupied the second floor of a bank that was located right across the street from the jail. The high ground gave them a strategic advantage, as they were able to return fire with a barrage anytime someone took a shot from the jail.

Cantrell and his partners were pinned down. The GI’s knew that the situation had to be resolved quickly before the authorities send in reinforcements and start a potential bloodbath.

Some deputies who were outside the jail tried to lift the siege but without success. Soon the captives within the building were running through the back door, leaving their weapons behind. White ordered that the escapees pass, but a number of deputies together with Cantrell and Mansfield refused to surrender.

Then the militia threw Molotov cocktails on the building but failed to create any substantial damage. At one point, an ambulance car arrived. White and his men held their fire, as they expected that it was to evacuate the wounded from the jail. An immediate ceasefire was in effect. To everyone’s surprise, the ambulance served for Cantrell and Mansfield to slip through, while leaving their men behind.

White’s top priority now was to secure the ballot boxes. Rumors of reinforcements were circulating among the men and time was of the essence.

Several dynamite sticks were thrown on the jail, each of them causing damage to the building and its surroundings. Eventually, the doors were breached, and the rest of the deputies surrendered.

In front of the jail, an angry mob was gathered, and several Mansfield’s men were badly beaten, including Wise who shot Tom Gillespie earlier that day.

Riots ensued, causing material damage all over the town. Police cars, as well as deputies’ private vehicles were largely targeted by the mob.

In the aftermath of the riots, the votes were finally counted and the GI party candidate, Henry Knox, was elected Sheriff of the McMinn County. (read more)

[Pajamajan]

Your post 48 👀

Thank you for posting that.

[Dead Corpse]

So... You used a strawman. My comment was directly in regards to those who actually got off their asses and FIXED the problem.

[ought-six]

“So... You used a strawman. My comment was directly in regards to those who actually got off their asses and FIXED the problem.”

No strawman at all. You mentioned the “Colonial population,” and that was the basis for my comment: 1/3 were loyal to the king; 1/3 supported independence; and 1/3 were fence-sitters. I was not challenging what you said about 3% actually fighting.

But, you got a burr up your butt and rushed to judgment.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Well its been quite a ride but I think this is pretty much the end game because either the military steps in soon or we will be in a civil war. It’s m sure they know this.

[Dead Corpse]

Roughly 3% of the Colonial population fought against British rule.

My exact quote and in context of those who would actually take up arms against a tyrannical government.

No burrs... Just not letting you move the goal posts either. The comment stands and is actually pretty Universal in scope. It's never a Majority, or even a significant minority, of a population that can over turn things using martial force.

The Zeta's in Mexico aren't even a 1% of the population and they frequently out-gun the Mexican military.

With 90+ million gun owners here in the US... If even 1% of them took up arms against our own military, they'd be a significant threat to entrenched power here.

[cgbg]

The Roman Empire took centuries to crash and burn—it is equally likely that is what will happen here.

[ought-six]

Well, if you want to play that game, you went from “fought” to just the “Continental Army.”

Those who fought the British were not just limited to those in the Continental Army. Many people “fought,” in one way or another; fighting is not just restricted to someone who was armed and served under Continental Army officers. Irregulars fight; resistance is fighting; spying is fighting; supplying with goods, food, and services is fighting; providing support; etc.

Consider the native Filipinos in WWII. Many of them supported the active resistance against the Japanese occupiers, and many were executed BY the Japanese because of that “passive” resistance. Those heroes SERVED the CAUSE of resistance to Japanese tyranny.

You restrict those who fought in the American Revolution to just those in the Continental Army: An official, government-created army.

Then, in the next breath, you mention the Zetas in Mexico. What official army, created by and funded by the government, and under government control, are the Zetas? None whatsoever.

The 90+ million gun owners in the US of whom you speak: What official army, created by and funded by a government, and under that government’s control, are those tens of millions? None whatsoever. And, even just using your 1% number; again, what official army, created by and funded by a government, and under that government’s control, are they?

Did the entirety of the 1/3 Colonial population “fight,” even under the broadest of definitions? No; but great many did under the broad definition of “fight.”

You are making much ado about nothing.

[Georgia Girl 2]

My money is on the military stepping in prior to the 2024 election.

[Dead Corpse]

The point being, there are more than enough people here in the US that are ARMED that could, relatively speaking to other such occurrences throughout history, easily topple the current unConstitional and out of control government. Especially considering how many of those who are former military/LEO/first responder types.

As to the Continental Army, only 40k at the peak were involved in the fighting. There were upwards of another 140k militia and the privateer naval forces that really made the difference.

And again... Private > Government here.

WE hold the real power in the US. That is what terrifies those in entrenched power and why they are willing to do ANYTHING to retain that power. If we stop playing nice, their whole house of cards comes crashing down.

[cgbg]

My prediction on the 2024 election—it will happen as normal—and the Democrats will try every trick in the book to steal it—as normal.

What I do not know is whether they will be successful.

[ought-six]

“The point being, there are more than enough people here in the US that are ARMED that could, relatively speaking to other such occurrences throughout history, easily topple the current unConstitional and out of control government.”

Yes; I think they could, as well. But, “easily?” Maybe; maybe not.

“WE hold the real power in the US.”

Well, we are supposed to by the way our country’s government was created under the Constitution. However, over many generations we allowed for the government to acquire far more power than it was created to have. That is OUR fault as citizens. How did we allow it? I think we became lazy and complacent, and ambitious and unscrupulous people in and out of government saw an opportunity to fill the vacuum, to the detriment of the Republic.

“That is what terrifies those in entrenched power and why they are willing to do ANYTHING to retain that power.”

I HOPE they are terrified. As Thomas Jefferson said: “When the People fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the People, there is freedom.” Smart guy, Jefferson.

“If we stop playing nice, their whole house of cards comes crashing down.”

Yes, that is true.