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To: gundog
People can’t be forced to not drink and drive.

I disagree, the government can take away your vehicle and stick you in a cage for years. That’s compulsion in action, not volunteerism.

Do you think if you removed the laws (meaning the compulsory machinery of the state) that observation would remain, because it is ‘largely voluntary’?

What you’re describing is called anarchy, and it doesn’t work because someone decides to become a warlord and suddenly compulsion is back on everyone’s menu.

163 posted on 09/02/2023 5:34:34 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
There are people that would generally behave well, regardless of an imposed State structure. And there are “outlaws.”

As I sit here, drinking my coffee, preparing to go fishing, there are a myriad of laws that I am “obeying.” Is that because I want to, or because I’m being compelled to? I have a fishing license....had one every year for decades. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been asked to see it by law enforcement. But, I buy it. Up until last year, I believe, there was s requirement in Oregon that anyone tossing so much as an inner tube in the water and floating on it was required to buy an annual $17 water use permit. Did I buy one for my pontoon boat. Hell no! Why not? Because it was an asinine effort to milk the recreating public. (It’s since been changed to cover craft over 10’.) The likelihood of me being checked for my permission slip was nearly nil, so screw it. I’m sure the cops went to higher density areas where they could really rake in the fine $$$.

There are people that habitually drive under the influence of whatever. Many are not caught. I think it’s baked into the system that if you are caught, it’s assumed that it likely isn’t your first time...maybe just your first time being caught...and penalties are stiff. As they should be...you endanger others. Attitudinally, people do a cost/ benefit analysis of their likelihood of being caught.

The young lady in the story....decent car, it looks like she spends quite a bit on her personal upkeep. Maybe she foesn’t have discretionary income to afford the liquor she wants. OK. Been there. So, I do without alcohol. No big deal. In her community, that seems to be a self-restraint issue. Want it, and the only thing stopping you is whitey’s laws? Screw it. They’re insured. Hell. Nancy Pelosi is loaded with money, but was bilking the taxpayers for $150K a month in “free” liquor. So, what the hell? And this anarchic attitude is being fostered by TPTB, for purposes of cracking down on all of us. You know this. We are in that awkward, anarcho-tyrannical phase.

This is probably a bit rambling, but I really am preparing to go fishing. 😃

165 posted on 09/02/2023 7:57:42 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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