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Escalating scandal grips airlines including American and Southwest, wreaking havoc on flight delays and cancellations as nearly 100 planes find fake parts from company with fake employees that vanished overnight
Fortune via Yahoo ^ | 09/22/2023 | Paolo Confino

Posted on 09/22/2023 3:12:02 PM PDT by DFG

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To: DFG

The Apollo program in Downey, CA, had strict rules. The manufacture of bolts had to be certified at every step. 1. A single bolt was subjected to rigorous testing. 2. The steel rod it was milled from had been tested. 3. The billet from which the rod was extruded was tested. 4. The ingot from which the billet was forged was tested. 5. They knew where the iron ore had come from. 6. They knew which mine and what shaft the iron ore had come from. That’s how you get a man on the moon.


21 posted on 09/22/2023 4:52:06 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: DFG

Never buy airplane parts from a religious denomination.


22 posted on 09/22/2023 4:52:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: DFG

“American Airlines “identified the uncertified components on a small number of aircraft,””

Make me feel better that only a ‘small number’ of American Airlines flights are going to crash.


23 posted on 09/22/2023 4:54:03 PM PDT by BobL (I own an F150 so that I can tow my boat all day Saturday and look Manly)
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To: delta7

Thanks for sharing.

How scary!

Probably all cheap China scrap being sold, by these scammers, now.


24 posted on 09/22/2023 5:00:27 PM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is tnow fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: Wuli

Bona fides. Means good faith.


25 posted on 09/22/2023 6:27:54 PM PDT by arthurus (i covfefe )
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To: arthurus

Thats the “formal” meaning. The informal meaning is: documentary evidence showing a person’s legitimacy; credentials. Doing due diligence REQUIRES checking/vetting those “bonafides” not taking them “on faith”.


26 posted on 09/22/2023 6:31:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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“After Southwest’s suppliers conducted a review of its parts the company removed two low pressure turbine blades from one of its jets.”

Here’s what I’d like clarified - most airlines only lease the engines on their aircraft so how is it that SWA knows the parts suppliers on internal engine parts without involving the engine manufacturer’s leasing and service personnel? Another factoid on SWA is their use of outside the US service facilities ought to be questioned on this matter.


27 posted on 09/22/2023 6:47:50 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't. )
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To: delta7
Another incident, a major airline was buying AN/ MS fittings, hoses from a major parts supplier. The packaging was marked correctly, but the packing was cheap. One day MS bolts were breaking, stripping, an analysis of the metal showed it was common steel, low grade metalurgically….the supplier traced the bolts to a Chinese manufacturing company.

I have a friend in the fastener business— industrial, but not aviation, or nuclear. Back when the fake fastener scandals hit in the 1990s, he said that nine times out of ten the root problem was not Chinese manufacturers mismarking cheap bolts as expensive to swindle American bolt importers, but American bolt importers getting Chinese manufacturers to mismark cheap bolts as expensive, so that the American bolt importers could swindle their own customers. Certainly the Chinese manufacturers knew what was what, but they were, nine times out of ten, delivering exactly the product their American importer clients wanted.

28 posted on 09/22/2023 6:56:38 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Wuli

I guessed that as you couldn’t spell it you might not know where it comes from. And all that means, in fact,”good faith.” It is all the reasons you can have good faith in the product or person.


29 posted on 09/22/2023 7:16:57 PM PDT by arthurus (i covfefe ,,)
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To: Falconspeed

Nice story. Not probable. I ran R&D for two of world’s largest biomed device companies for decades, then CEO of small cardiovascular biomed group. I depended upon good QA and traceability.

My point is that as an undergrad, I worked summers in one of the largest taconite mines in MN. The mines worked 24/7/365 but shipping via Great lakes ore carriers was 9-10 months of the year. Production from all shifts was stockpiled and shipped out once the ice was off or the locks open. No way traceability extended to the particular open pit; let alone the shift.

I’d be happy to provide photos of the stockpiles and the shovels gnawing away at the periphery of the snow-covered mountain of pellets.


30 posted on 09/22/2023 7:41:49 PM PDT by NelsTandberg ( )
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To: Falconspeed

Yes, and this was the same apollo program that they routinely found tools left in the capsules during build, shoddy work, etc, until 3 astronauts died on the launch pad due to a fire from shoddy work, and and a stupid design that had a high oxygen pressurized environment and a door that had to swing inward to open.... THEN, and ONLY they got serious about enforcing their standards etc.


31 posted on 09/22/2023 7:50:06 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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“Ah, but then again not all airlines do their own maintenance today, and if they don’t someone else is in charge of securing the right aircraft parts.”

That’s the problem. It was probably a downstream supplier to a subcontractor of a subcontractor that saved a few bucks by buying Chinese knock-offs. Companies outsource as much as possible, it saves money but makes quality control impossible.


32 posted on 09/22/2023 9:48:07 PM PDT by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: arthurus

Nitpicking and irrelevant.


33 posted on 09/23/2023 8:17:48 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Sequoyah101

Or the other airlines involved. Inqiring traveller’s want to know.


34 posted on 09/23/2023 8:43:21 AM PDT by suijuris (Once a man learns to see he finds himself alone in the world with nothing but folly.)
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