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To: ChicagoConservative27
Double nothing is still nothing, relatively.

Those numbers are paltry and laughable, and certainly not “sustainable”.

Perhaps those who are still interested in an EV are simply opting for the cheapest option available? Or, maybe the other EV makers, aside from Tesla, are simply abandoning their rampups of EV production due to a miscalculation of why there are so many unsold EV’s on dealers lots currently?

3 posted on 12/01/2023 8:19:39 AM PST by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: Pox
Perhaps those who are still interested in an EV are simply opting for the cheapest option available?

IMHO Hyundai does a good job of capturing that market. The Kia EV6 is probably the best EV from a cost/benefit perspective (good range and fast charging for an EV, but low cost). Their Hyundai Ioniq 5 being a crossover style version (same tech but not quite the same range because of drag from the taller shape).

EV's don't work for everyone. I wouldn't have gotten one if I wasn't married and needed two cars anyway (having one EV and one ICE gives us the best of both worlds), we drive plenty of miles so that the gas savings is worth the extra cost of an EV, we can charge at home, and we had to replace one of our cars anyway so we were in the market for a car, and virtually all of the road trips we take have plenty of fast chargers (we'll drive the ICE if we go on one of the other road trips). But if someone is in a driving situation like ours, IMHO the Kia and Hyundai EV's are good value at reasonable prices. Most of the times we read about horrible maintenance expenses with EV's it has to do with Tesla.

5 posted on 12/01/2023 8:30:23 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Pox
One of the biggest drivers of EVs are the federal rebates. Here, hot off the DOE press release machine, is the notice of the 30 day public comment period, for which batteries should get federal rebates. So the Deep State bureaucracy gets to choose the winners, while the rest of us get to pay. Seriously, there should be a AI tool to translate gov-speak to English.

Today, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) released a notice of its proposed guidance and a request for public comment on its proposed interpretation of the statutory definition of “foreign entity of concern” (FEOC) in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL), which is designed to limit the participation of FEOCs within domestic battery supply chains, particularly within government-supported programs, and bolster the growth of domestic and friend-shored battery materials processing and manufacturing.

Plug-in EV sales have tripled since President Biden took office. However, the U.S. still depends on foreign sources for many of the processed versions of critical minerals needed to produce EV batteries. Since coming into office ushering in the historic legislation of the BIL and the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), the Biden-Harris Administration has taken swift action to secure a reliable and sustainable battery supply chain [sourced predominately in America and allied trading partners]. DOE’s Battery Materials Processing and Manufacturing grant program authorized by section 40207 of BIL and the IRA 30D Clean Vehicle tax credit impose limits when an entity’s battery supply chain includes foreign entities of concern.

The BIL provides that, among other criteria, a foreign entity is defined as a “foreign entity of concern” if it is “owned by, controlled by, or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of a government of a foreign country that is a covered nation.” In this guidance, DOE proposes to clarify the term “foreign entity of concern” by providing interpretations of the following key terms: “government of a foreign country;” “foreign entity;” “subject to the jurisdiction;” and “owned by, controlled by, or subject to the direction.”

This DOE proposed interpretative guidance relates to the BIL 40207 Battery Materials Processing and Battery Manufacturing and Recycling Grants, which have a statutory requirement to prioritize projects with non-FEOC based supply chains. It is also relevant to the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service’s implementation of amendments made by the IRA to the section 30D Clean Vehicle Credit, for which statutory FEOC restrictions begin in January of 2024.

DOE worked with the Department of the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service to ensure that this interpretation supports implementation of the section 30D Clean Vehicle Credit. In developing this proposed interpretive guidance, DOE conducted many industry stakeholder meetings and communicated across the federal government.

The 30-day public comment period will begin upon publication in the Federal Register. Interested persons are encouraged to submit comments using the Federal eRulemaking Portal at www.regulations.gov. Follow the instructions for submitting comments for RIN 1901-ZA02.

7 posted on 12/01/2023 8:40:08 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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