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To spare getting more OT comments than useful ones, I'll not go far into the project details other than to say this is not a plumbing or refrigeration project. I'm making "U" shaped copper pieces out of some spare 5/8" soft copper tubing, and then need to solder to those copper pieces, preferably to the inside of the "U".

The tubing is brand new.

Thanks!

1 posted on 03/14/2024 3:00:58 PM PDT by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.

Good paste Flux, old school tin/lead solder. Some 400 wet / dry 3M emory cloth.


2 posted on 03/14/2024 3:06:05 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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Why are you trying to solder inside the pipe? Soldering works by capillary action.


3 posted on 03/14/2024 3:07:31 PM PDT by shotgun
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This should help: https://youtu.be/TYj4uJjaP8g?si=NeqX0fK9sTHI4vIW


4 posted on 03/14/2024 3:09:11 PM PDT by TermLimits4All ("If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Paul R.

Try using a brazing rod with the material.


5 posted on 03/14/2024 3:09:39 PM PDT by shotgun
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Nothing that I know of, although it certainly has an oxidation layer that has to be cleared (obviously).

One thing I learned the hard way, having worked in ‘the business’ a while ago, is to be absolutely sure that the flux you use is fresh, as in recently purchased at a high-volume outlet, as using old flux is not any different than using no flux at all.


6 posted on 03/14/2024 3:10:35 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Paul R.

Copper is quite easy to sweat. The surfaces must be clean, steel wool works great, so does fine emery cloth. A good flux and plenty of heat, preferably MAP gas.

Heat the joint uniformly. When hot touch the solder to it, when it begins to flow it should suck right into the joint, all the way around. Push the solder into the joint as it flows and stop after the first drip on the bottom.

A good plumber does not wait for the first drip to stop, but can tell when the joint is full by the silver ring that develops all the way around.


7 posted on 03/14/2024 3:11:25 PM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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I only know one way to solder copper pipe...just like the guy in this 6 minute video. This process is still one of the neatest things to me in construction work.

"How To Solder Copper Pipe (Complete Guide) Plumbing 101" - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IrH15z-Fs&pp=ygUbc29sZGVyaW5nIGNvcHBlciBwaXBlIHZpZGVv

8 posted on 03/14/2024 3:12:07 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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Whatever you do, don't scrape off any hydrogen bubbles.

Trust me.

9 posted on 03/14/2024 3:15:38 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Paul R.
Yep, the surface of the inside diameter of a soft copper tube is work hardened by the drawing process, and very slightly oxidized.

To get solder to take easily & quickly, use a cylindrical stainless wire brush inside the tube.

10 posted on 03/14/2024 3:16:43 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Paul R.

Are you building a still?


11 posted on 03/14/2024 3:16:48 PM PDT by caver ( )
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Must use good Flux!! Sand with good emery cloth.


13 posted on 03/14/2024 3:19:30 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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To: Paul R.

C-Flux


14 posted on 03/14/2024 3:20:54 PM PDT by Round Earther
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Use the old lead containing solder; the new lead free stuff isn’t as fluid and doesn’t it wet the surfaces as well. Also make sure your torch has a large enough flame. I use a prestolite air/acetylene when doing copper typing. Also no matter how clean it looks don’t skip the sanding and steel wool step and don’t skimp on the flux.

Or alternatively if you have oxy-acetylene you can braze it that way you can just build a fillet around the outside of the joint, but I find brazing a lot harder to get a nice looking result - probably because I only do it rarely.


19 posted on 03/14/2024 3:34:32 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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Never tried to sweat soft copper, only rigid. For soft copper, I used a flaring tool and fittings.


23 posted on 03/14/2024 3:45:34 PM PDT by waterhill (Take your ivermectin, kill zee bugs)
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If you don’t clean the surface with a brush or sand cloth and flux, the solder won’t stick.


25 posted on 03/14/2024 3:51:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Cleanliness is next to godliness. I have used old flux, 50/50 solder (which you can’t get) 95/5 solder etc. the only thing that really matters is getting the copper clean. The easiest way to do this is with a round wire brush (sold with plumbing junk) but I have also done it by rolling up a strip of sandpaper. Clean BOTH peices to be soldered. Apply flux. put the fittings together. Apply heat to the fitting not the solder. Don’t try to solder it until the solder flows freely when you touch it to the fitting.
Remove heat when the solder flows into the fitting. Don’t fiddle with it till it cools a little.


27 posted on 03/14/2024 3:51:28 PM PDT by FrozenAssets (You don't have to be crazy to live here, but it helps)
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Doesn’t matter how new and shiny it looks, if you haven’t cleaned it today, clean it before trying to solder it.

Sandpaper on the outside, circular wire brush on the inside.


30 posted on 03/14/2024 4:00:15 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Get it done, and you'll get your Home Repair Merit Badge:


35 posted on 03/14/2024 4:24:03 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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There is always some oxidation/corrosion even on brand new pipe. I use a fitting brush mounted in a cordless drill to clean the inside of the fittings, and medium emery cloth to clean the outside of the pipe. Then I wipe everything clean with a new cloth. Apply good flux generously to BOTH items to be joined, assemble them and sweat the joint to where I see solder all around the seam.

I’ve had 3 joints fail in 30+ years, and they failed because I used old flux.

Hope this helps, enjoy your project.


52 posted on 03/14/2024 8:27:59 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn)
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Ummmm - why do you think they sell the metal brush tools to clan the inside and outside of pipes before soldering them?
Cleans and slightly roughs the surfaces to make them accept the solder.


54 posted on 03/15/2024 5:46:58 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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