Delivery Man Mercilessly Kills Angie Harmon’s Dog

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Delivery Man Mercilessly Kills Angie Harmon’s Dog, DiogenesLamp wrote:
there seems to be an expectation that a person must wait until a dog rips a vein open
And you are accusing the person who wrote the title of being biased?
30 lb dogs do not normally "rip a vein open." This one was said to be friendly by people who were not members of the family.
Average weight of pit bulls=30-40lbs. A 30lb dog can 'damage' significantly. At 30 lbs, it could, if it wanted, kill a horse or open a leg vein. I say this because I’ve read of pit bulls that weight killing a horse, killing people, causing major damage. So 30lbs is not necessarily safe. This isn't a pit bull, although it could be a cross as someone said it resembles a pit/red heeler mix; but other dogs do damage too. You don't have time to gauge how much 'damage' the dog will inflict when he charges, and it doesn't have to be 'death' before you react.
Why do you assume this man was 'Amish'? That term is usually applied to gangs in urban settings, not African Americans. Maybe the dog shared your biases against those you deem 'the Amish'? Are there even violent urban gangs of 'Amish' out in the country? Traveling alone, with sums of money they claim is 'tips' and delivering food in all kinds of weather, alone?
This wasn't the first thread I read wherein the family said the dog was gentle and would never hurt a fly and that's because they'd never seem him act otherwise, friends included. But there are dogs that 'go off' or they at least charge so convincingly that the person expects maiming injury, even though the dog's family knows he won't bite.
ruined if she gets another dog that size and doesn't secure him either.
And as I have been told by the same person who mentioned the dog only weighs 30 lbs, Harmon lives in a mostly rural area, and it is the norm in rural areas to allow dogs to roam freely.
I feel sorry for those of you who must live in town and must therefore keep your dogs penned up.
Move out to the country. You can play your music as loud as you want, have bonfires, fire guns, let your dogs run around chasing rabbits, and you don't have @$$hole neighbors calling the cops on you or getting into your business.
I grew up in the country and I live there now. None of us would try to cancel the life of a delivery man the police interviewed and found had not committed a crime given there was no other proof -no witnesses. There are dogs around here, but they don't roam 'free' because they get excited 'playing' with lifestock and other farm animals and can cause harm (chasing animals to the point of exhaustion/death, roughing them up until scraps of flesh are hanging off).
I've lived in a medium sized city for half of my life, and I grew up in a city, but I can tell you I absolutely prefer the much more hassle free life in the Country.
It's not open-season on delivery people out here in the country.
Some of you people just don't seem to grasp how differently people see things in the country versus the city. I'll wager this idiot that shot that dog is a city person, and I shall not be surprised to learn he is a member of the "Amish" community. (Also known as "Yutes.")
Again, I'm in the country, too.
I suspect the police really really do not want to start something with anyone belonging to the "Amish" community if they can help it.
And...you think I'm biased?
Maybe the police were worried about the fearsome delivery cartel.
The police could do SOMETHING to him that would not result in riots - happens every day - if only there was evidence. But if they 'did something' to the driver then the public might ask why they believed her and not him without proof, and why the dog owner has zero responsibility for leaving the dog unsecured - she could have advised the delivery person that the dog doesn't bite. Instacart has a field you can write in to give drivers directions to the house, instructions for loose pets (i.e., 'dog barks/charges but doesn't bite'. Then the driver could ask to be met at his car window if he was concerned.
Apparently the owners never saw what happened - ring camera was down. Are the police just supposed to take the word of a grieving pet owner over that of a man who did not shoot a second dog because it was not threatening him? And because she has so many fans?

And...you think I'm biased?

Yup. I think you made up your mind what you wished to believe, and your primary motivation for wanting to believe it is an instinctive dislike of celebrities whom you seem to believe think they are better than everyone else, as noted in the following example of what you wrote.

Are the police just supposed to take the word of a grieving pet owner ... And because she has so many fans?

You want to hate her, that's fine. I don't know her and I don't have any biases for or against her. I feel sorry for people who can't treat others as they would have themselves treated.

Looking at her as an ordinary citizen, I think her side has as much or more merit than what we have been told about the other side.

You and others knew right away who was lying and who was telling the truth. You are clearly smarter than I. It would take me a considerable amount of time to weigh the facts as they have been presented, and then come to a reasoned conclusion, but some of you could figure it out in just a few seconds!

Bravo! Smarter than me by far.

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Delivery Man Mercilessly Kills Angie Harmon’s Dog, DiogenesLamp wrote:
And...you think I'm biased?
Yup. I think you made up your mind what you wished to believe, and your primary motivation for wanting to believe it is an instinctive dislike of celebrities whom you seem to believe think they are better than everyone else, as noted in the following example of what you wrote.
Are the police just supposed to take the word of a grieving pet owner ... And because she has so many fans?
You want to hate her, that's fine. I don't know her and I don't have any biases for or against her. I feel sorry for people who can't treat others as they would have themselves treated.
Looking at her as an ordinary citizen, I think her side has as much or more merit than what we have been told about the other side.
You and others knew right away who was lying and who was telling the truth. You are clearly smarter than I. It would take me a considerable amount of time to weigh the facts as they have been presented, and then come to a reasoned conclusion, but some of you could figure it out in just a few seconds!
Bravo! Smarter than me by far.
I saw a biased article - biased from the title down to the last lament. I proposed an alternative read which had as much evidence as the assertions in the article, just to balance the score. I concluded that without evidence, the police couldn't act. I don't hate the woman, but I am disgusted by her use of social media and fandom to cancel this guy (e.g., posting his profile on Instagram).
I rejected your suggestion that the black delivery man serving the countryside was probably an 'Amish' whom the police didn't want to touch, when there's no evidence to suggest he was untrustworthy: no gang, no urban setting, no criminal history, no denial about shooting the dog, no avoiding the police, and no concern from police after they investigated.

Well well well... the plot thickens.

My "Amish" theory is starting to look like a good call.

One of the commenters at the link said:

I find that to be a quite plausible theory.

Why *IS* this guy working under someone else's name? If he lied about that, what else might he lie about?

Also he said the dog "attacked" him. No scratches, no torn clothes. Sounds like the dog didn't even touch him.

I don't think it constitutes an "attack" when a dog growls at you. I think it actually has to make contact with you before you could legitimately claim it "attacked" you.

No evidence of an attack. Shown to be a liar on one significant point already. (Delivering under a false identity.)

I wonder if he's got a record? I'm sure the cops know.

https://www.boredpanda.com/angie-harmon-dog-shot-instacart-deliver-man/

I rejected your suggestion that the black delivery man serving the countryside was probably an 'Amish' whom the police didn't want to touch, when there's no evidence to suggest he was untrustworthy: no gang, no urban setting, no criminal history, no denial about shooting the dog, no avoiding the police, and no concern from police after they investigated.

So you already knew the delivery driver was black? I didn't. I just guessed based on my knowledge of North Carolina* and the behavior of the perp. I know a lot of black people are jumpy around dogs, (snakes too) and this behavior struck me as an inordinate fear of the animals.

So my theory about the cops not wanting to create themselves problems is also strengthened. We've already seen how cops have become shy about enforcing the law when black suspects are involved.

So you've seen this guy's Instagram? Why don't you post it so we can all find out who this guy is and whether he has a record for violent behavior?

* I had a good friend who is black and whom I drove all the way to North Carolina to attend his daughter's graduation. We stayed at one of his friend's house. The area was dominantly black.

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Delivery Man Mercilessly Kills Angie Harmon’s Dog, DiogenesLamp wrote:

I rejected your suggestion that the black delivery man serving the countryside was probably an 'Amish' whom the police didn't want to touch, when there's no evidence to suggest he was untrustworthy: no gang, no urban setting, no criminal history, no denial about shooting the dog, no avoiding the police, and no concern from police after they investigated.
So you already knew the delivery driver was black?
NO. You suggested Amish. I didn't.
I just guessed based on my knowledge of North Carolina* and the behavior of the perp. I know a lot of black people are jumpy around dogs, (snakes too) and this behavior struck me as an inordinate fear of the animals.
Your guess was distasteful, unfounded bias. There is no evidence of Amish. You thought black people were jumpy around dogs and jumped to AMISH.
So my theory about the cops not wanting to create themselves problems is also strengthened. We've already seen how cops have become shy about enforcing the law when black suspects are involved.
Your theory about the cops is worthless bias.
So you've seen this guy's Instagram? Why don't you post it so we can all find out who this guy is and whether he has a record for violent behavior?
The journalist would have absoluately tarred that man with any criminal history if it existed. The article says she posted his instacart profile and provided an image of the profile, but the news agency blacked out personal information because they didn't want to do what she did.

* I had a good friend who is black and whom I drove all the way to North Carolina to attend his daughter's graduation. We stayed at one of his friend's house. The area was dominantly black.
That does nothing to excuse your baseless bias equating a black person who's jumpy around dogs to 'likely Amish.' The man had zero traits of Amish yutes denying responsibilty, fleeing, refusing to talk to the cops, criminal recrd often with outstanding warrants. This man, whatever his race, accepted responsibilty and cooperated with the cops, never fled etc.

Pardon me, but your biggotry was showing and I pointed it out in specific detail.

What I have learned in my life is that it is in fact bigotry to pretend not to notice how they are different.

I've known many black people in my life and I have been friends, and even close friends, with many black people in my life, and in my experience it is an absolute fact that black people are deathly afraid of snakes, and many are quite afraid of dogs.

You trying to pretend this isn't so, is your own version of bigotry. It is like not noticing that a man in a dress isn't really a woman.

Noticing the truth isn't "bigotry", it's reality.

And so you've successfully derailed the actual topic into a discussion of what you view as "bigotry", and I can only conclude this is because you don't want to speak to the actual facts of the case.

I told you the media blacked out his personal info. Run along now and go get it for yourself.

But you implied that *YOU* had this information, and you are apparently hesitant to give it out for some reason.

I can assure you had this been a white man who shot and killed this particular dog, the media would not have circled wagons to protect him. They would be trumpeting to the world how horrible this man is and how he should be prosecuted. THERE is your real bigotry. Treating him differently because he's black. But the media do this routinely.

As Ann Coulter noted when discussing a shooter, "We know he's not white."

Why? Because the media remained silent on the matter.

This is now referred to as "The Coulter Effect." It is also another reason why I suspected the perp was black. I couldn't see the media remaining silent over some vicious man with a gun killing an innocent dog.

The fact that they shut up about it made me think "This guy is likely black, because if he wasn't, they would go on and on about it."

It's like those women in New York that are getting punched in the face, but who refused to describe their attackers.

Everyone nowadays is so afraid that someone might call them a "racist" that they will not dare say anything negative about anyone "black." And so the women in New York remained silent about what their attackers looked like.

As I said, this attitude is itself racist.

Update. One source (TMZ) claims the cops did not actually see the bite marks. The perp simply told them he had been bitten.

"9:49 AM PT -- Charlotte-Mecklenburg PD is clarifying the deliveryman only told them he had bite marks from the dog.

Also, the perp's name is "Christopher", and he has a record, but no convictions for a felony.

And then you think about how someone would have reacted had they been bitten.

Clearly he said nothing to Angie Harmon about having been bitten, because she specifically said he hadn't been bitten. Had he been bitten, I believe he would have been screaming about having been bitten.

Do you know anyone that would be quiet about being bitten by a dog?

His statement would not have been "Yeah, I shot your dog."

It would have been "Your muthaf***ing dog *BIT* me!! So I shot his muthaf***ing @$$!!! He would have been wound up and angry, not matter of fact "Yeah, I shot your dog."

He would not have remained silent about the matter, he would have kept telling her that her dog bit him.

He didn't do that. He only told the cops that the dog bit him, and the cops haven't said they saw any actual bite marks.

This guy is an odd duck one way or the other. He either shot the dog for kicks, or the dog actually bit him, but he didn't feel the need to mention it to the owner, which just strikes me as unlikely.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't tell an owner that their dog bit them, especially a clearly rich owner.

If the cops didn't see a bite mark, it didn't happen.

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