Posted on 06/21/2002 7:41:57 AM PDT by Aurelius
my understanding is that the machine worked just fine thank you very much. this according to the agricultural machinery docent at the Smithsonan Museum of American History.
don't be blinded to FACTS by your unreasoning dis-like of southrons and all things southron.
you of all people should be working EVERY DAY for southron liberty;you'll be much happier when the Southron Republic is across an international border!
BOTH were WAR CRIMINALS, who believed in the rightness of their cause and were willing to do ANYTHING to advance that cause! ANYTHING, no matter how SAVAGE, UNCIVILIZED OR EVIL!
of course lincoln & stanton were WORSE than sherman, but not by much. the Nurenburg trials found as a matter of LAW, that those who CARRY OUT unlawful orders are just as CRIMINAL as those who gave the orders.
for a FREE dixie REPUBLIC,sw
Yes.
you of all people should be working EVERY DAY for southron liberty;you'll be much happier when the Southron Republic is across an international border!
No.
since when are you an expert on mid-19th century agricultual machines;alternatively, are you EXPERT on EVERYTHING?
most damnyankees/scalawags/revisionists SAY they are experts on everything southron;why should you be different?
for a FREE dixie,sw
All were Southern failures when it came to the big test, winning the war.
Whats wrong with burning the enemy's homeland to end a war? Southern Honor at stake? What a selfish "ooh it feels so good to be a southern gentelman" pile of BS. Burn buildings, destroy crops, destroy industry....Do what it takes to end any war and save lives.
And since you're so fond of making comparisons to WWII, how about Hiroshima, was that a War Crime? Innocents killed, homes destroyed..but you probably think its ok, being a high altitude bomb, its kind of sterile, no romance to it at all.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were BOTH legitimate targets of war, as was Dresdan. ALL three were legitimate targets because:
1.there were well-established military installations there,
2.each was an established supply base for an organized military force (SORRY, being a "food source" does NOT count-agricultural activities are NOT military targets, under the LoW!) AND
3. all three cities were contained CRITICAL manufacturing plants of a military nature.
(in case you haven't figured out by now, i used to teach LoW @ USAMPS & USARSEUR.)
for dixie,sw
The winner gets to define how the Law of War is applied and its existance does'nt mean it will be applied to the letter. Look at all the Japaneses "war crimes" (or what should have been considered crimes) that went unpunished.
In case you have'nt noticed, I've never taught LoW, and don't give a damn who has.
The winner gets to define how the Law of War is applied and its existance does'nt mean it will be applied to the letter. Look at all the Japaneses "war crimes" (or what should have been considered crimes) that went unpunished.
In case you have'nt noticed, I've never taught LoW, and don't give a damn who has.
be glad you'll never have to lead troops in combat, otherwise you might very well face decisions on MORALITY that you are NOT morally equipped to make.
BTW, the rebs on the forum would be PLEASED if you would change your screen name, as onlookers may think you are a CSA partisan and you are most assuredly NOT;we do NOT claim you!
for a FREE dixie,sw
Acceptance? The primary purpose of the Confederacy was to defend slavery. Without slavery, there would never have been a Confederacy. While there were good people in the Confederacy (some of my ancestors), the primary function of the Confederacy - to defend slavery - was evil. The Union was therefore morally superior and deserved to win.
This discussion reminds me of the "reparations" issue. Why are people so obsessed with the activities of long dead ancestors? Who cares?
I still stand that Sherman did the right thing to help bring the war to an end.
You assume the world would have changed in no other way had the Confederacy kept it's independence - but that is absurd. For example, there might have been no American involvement in WWI, with the very possible result of a more equitable eventual European peace. That would have made the rise to power of Hitler much less likely. The American war with the Japanese was if anything even more uninevitable. It only came about because of FDR's disastrous handling of the American economy following the great depression and his choice to involve the country in war in an attempt to undo the harm he had done.
Despite myth, Sherman's army was quite the respecter of persons, if not property. There were less than half a dozen rapes among Sherman's 60,000 men and no, none, nada, zilch, murders of civilians.
On the other hand, over fifty of Sherman's men were lynched by CSA forces.
Walt
That was'nt a war crime, it was "Southron Honor".
the federals hanged/shot MANY suspected "spies,sabotuers,deserters & common criminals"-most without the pretense of a trial by courts martial.
your chance as an accused criminal in those days was POOR of failing to "meet your maker"-military justice was SWIFT, if not even-handed.
for dixie,sw
according to the Chief Judge Advocate General of the US Army 2 years ago in an official pleading to the Board for the Correction of Military Records, CPT Henry Wirtz, Medical Corps, CSA was:
1.convicted by courts martial on perjured evidence, which was known to be false,at the time of trial by the convening authority,
2.was NOT subject to trial by courts martial, as he was NOT subject to the UCMJ or that of any other military tribunal, as he was a CIVILIAN at the time of trial,
3. committed NO UNLAWFUL acts while the medical officer of CSA Camp Sumpter, Andersonville,AL,
4.and he was singled out to be a scapegoat for crimes committed by others, ONLY because he was a Swiss national,was Roman Catholic and was in the custody of the USA Provost Marshal, when the court martial authority was seeking SOMEONE to try for the problems at Camp Sumpter.
CPT was also denied to call witnesses in his defense, as the convening authority REFUSED to call ANYONE on the CPTs witness list to the bar.
after sentence of death was read, CPT Wirtz requested the services of a Roman Catholic priest to hear his confession and to provide him spiritual guidance until such time as sentence was carried out. this request was DENIED by the Provost Marshal General of the Army, as the trial counsel said: he's just a damn PAPIST and is going to HELL anyway!
TYPICAL damnyankee "justice"!
COL Heinrich Wurtz, his great-great uncle is a personal friend of mine,BTW. COL Wurtz frequently visits our family when he comes to the USA.
our SCV camp is the official custodian of CPT Wirtz's grave. he is buried @ Mount Olivet Catholic Cemetery, Washington,DC.
for dixie FREEDOM,sw
Sherman and the rest of the damnyankee army commanders NEVER CARED what their soldiers did in the southland, as they, like some on this forum, were UNCONCERNED about Crimes Against Peace & Crimes Against Humanity.
RAPE, plundering,looting & pilageing ware considered "just part of being a soldier", by the bluebellies.
for dixie LIBERTY,sw
MANY war criminals were tried and executed by the CSA however, in accordance with well-settled international law of war.
for dixie,sw
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