From the King of Slime
Posted on 02/08/2003 7:54:52 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode
You still need to explain how intelligent human design of a process proves random, stochastic, evolution. What your statements show is the desperation of evolutionists in the face of intelligent design. Now they are trying to argue that mindless chance is a better designer than human beings. When you have to do that, you have already lost.
This is the usual nonsense from evolutionists - they cannot tell what the refutation is but like Gould's moronic punk-eek it always happened at some other time, at some other place which of course they cannot mention nor can they mention what the refutation is.
All that the evolutionists have been doing on these threads is engaging in ad hominems and giving excuses why they cannot debate honestly the issues presented to them.
... because we don't know enough to calculate them.
We certainly do know the enough, although evolutionists keep putting down science we know very well the chances of making a single normal sized gene. There are some 300 amino acids in a medium sized gene. At each position there are 22 posible values. However, some values may be substituted by others with similar characteristics but not at all positions and not by just any value. So being extremely generous the chances are one in 10^300th power. That's just for one of the some 30,000 genes in a human being - with millions of different genes in the over a million species in existence today. In addition, as science has shown, the genes have to fit in with the entire organism and be completely connected to it to work properly so making a gene is not the end of the hurdles necessary for evolution to be true.
So yes, evolution is impossible.
Matter does not think. Random chance does not have a goal. You need goal to arrange things in an orderly manner instead of wandering blindly and hitting upon a solution by dumb luck. Evolution does not cut it. The complexity of living organisms shows it to be impossible. In fact, the attempt by evolutionists to claim that evolution is 'intelligent' shows how far their theory has lost respectability that it is forced to try to hijack the arguments of its opponents.
Repeating the same ridiculous statement will not make it true. You are arguing that intelligent design of a program proves random chance. Can't you see the absurdity of what you are saying??????????
There are many throughout his writings, here's one:
In man the frontal bone consists of a single piece, but in the embryo, and in children, and in almost all the lower mammals, it consists of two pieces separated by a distinct suture. This suture occasionally persists more or less distinctly in man after maturity; and more frequently in ancient than in recent crania, especially, as Canestrini has observed, in those exhumed from the Drift, and belonging to the brachycephalic type. Here again he comes to the same nclusion as in the analogous case of the malar bones. In this, and other instances presently to be given, the cause of ancient races approaching the lower animals in certain characters more frequently than do the modern races, appears to be, that the latter stand at a somewhat greater distance in the long line of descent from their early semi-human progenitors.
Darwin, Descent of Man, Chapter 2.
Hmmm, so I guess you have seen this 'natural selection' you evolutionists speak of all the time? Is it male or female? How large is its brain?
Semantics garbage, the same nonsense you do in trying to 'prove' Hitler a Catholic and the Pope not Catholic - in the very same thread. That Darwin was a racist there can be no doubt (as that racism is an integral part of evolutionary theory):
"I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. Remember what risk the nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago of being overwhelmed by the Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world."
Darwin to Graham, July 3, 1881.
What a moronic and totally disingenous statement. Guess you have taken a poll of everyone that has discovered oil and asked them if they were evolutionists or not? Seems to me that GWB, a good Christian, dug for oil. There goes your blatant nonsense.
I am not a liberal. And evolution is at the center of politics in our society, so this is a political discussion. People do not get so exited over science. It is you who is trying to shut down discussion and you got put down as you deserved. And no you are not a scientist. Scientists have open minds and welcome discussion. Also if evolution was true and you were a scientist you would be eager to show that evolution is true instead of close down the discussion.
I lived in Houston, met them in business, had them over to the house, saw them at the country clubs. I knew all the serious players of the last 50 years, the ones who actually found oil, unlike GWB who was just a promoter.
And by the way, W didn't stop believing in evolution till it became politically expedient, like GHWB and abortion, and yeah, they were over at the house too.
Another evolutionist which is ashamed of the founder of the theory! Wow, you guys are really losing.
Sell your nonsense to someone else, the same nonsense as your taking a poll of all those who dig for oil being evolutionists. Reminds me of the Clintonites who claimed that everything good in the world was due to Clinton. Keep it, I was vaccinated by 8 years of that liar from your kind of nonsense.
And.... you think you are winning?
Want to put some money on it?
Really serious money?
Money to make it worth my while to meet you in Houston this weekend?
LOL - you really are a Stove fan, aren't you? Go ahead, post his critique of Popper - blowing holes in that one ought to be fun, too ;)
Yup, when your opponents can only respond to your statements with insults and when they are being forced to by the huge amount of scientific evidence to abandon random change, I can certainly say that the evolutionists are losing big.
Do you have an invitation to see GWB in Houston this weekend??????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
No Sonny, but then he never found any significant oil. for the rest of the family I don't need an invitation. I sure don't need an invitation to see the Senior Geologists and corp executive officers who have found most of the worlds petro.
If you got the jack, I 'll be there.
Put up or crawl back into your own little fantasy reality boy.
Some of us have led real lives and have real accomplishments and the friends that go with them.
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