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To: #3Fan
No, I said I don't waste my time reading BS. If someone is lying, then I won't read their books or articles.

Walt lies all the time and you apparently read what he posts. So it would seem that you don't practice what you preach.

You spend 24/7 arguing about your one-issue, the Civil War, and you call me shallow?

Now that's funny, cause I recall very distinctly getting involved in a debate yesterday about a school district policy in Texas. You seem to have been posting on little more than this thread for some time now while managing to add virtually nothing of value or substance to it. So yes. I do call you shallow.

You're being vague.

Quite to the contrary. I am asking you for something very specific - evidence to back your oft-made false allegations against others. If you cannot specify those allegations, you should not make them. What about that is so difficult for you?

The BS meter is rising.

It often tends to almost immediately following your arrival at any given thread. Coincidence? I think not.

Why don't you just be bold and say I'm lying? LOL

Happily. You're lying. And unlike you, I can prove that you are lying by noting the simple fact that, for all those allegations, you cannot offer a single piece of evidence for any one of them.

You're being vague again.

Exactly how is asking you to substantiate your abusive and fraudulent charges with evidence being "vague"? Oh wait. I almost forgot. You live in a world where up is down, black is white, war is peace, hot is cold, and all that other stuff. You're not confirming nor denying this charge, just telling me to prove it.

It is your charge and therefore also your burden to prove it.

Your crazy and short-sighted. If you'd get your nose out of the Civil War conspiracy books and take a look at the world around you you'd realize that something as demanding and complex as the steel industry cannot be rebuilt in a short time.

Sure it can. If the market demands it, it will happen. Just the same, if a need arises for an airstrip in Afghanistan, something that normally takes years to build will be erected in a matter of weeks as just happened not to long ago. Calling me names will not change those facts.

When you confused the meanings of "significance" and "agreement" it confused my statement to you.

What in the world are you rambling about now? Seriously, are you drunk? Or perhaps missing some medication?

You claim not to recognize the term "Declaration of Secession" because you refer to them as "Declaration of Causes".

If you are referring to the Declarations of Causes, call them by that name because that is what they call themselves. Don't get mad at me for pointing out your erronious use of a title because you have only yourself to blame for that.

You're playing semantics to avoid discussing the damning evidence contained in the Declarations of Secession.

Nonsense. If I were trying to avoid the Declarations of Causes, I would not have prominently included them in my chart. Thus, by accusing me of ignoring them you are lying.

See, that is exactly my point. You use subtle lies.

Then substantiate that allegation. By asking you to substantiate them I mean for you to post specific evidence of them such as a quote. It has become apparent though that you are doing exactly what you fraudulently accused me of - intentionally remaining vague about the false allegations you make.

No, I'm proving my point to you with your own words.

That would require you to quote me. You have yet to do anything of the sort, thus you have not proven your point with my words and thus, by claiming falsely that you have, you expose your habitual dishonesty.

Your own words are laced with subtle lies.

Quote one and prove it. Otherwise you should not shoot your mouth off with fraudulent allegations such as that.

69 posted on 03/15/2003 10:23:47 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
Walt lies all the time and you apparently read what he posts. So it would seem that you don't practice what you preach.

Walt posts actual quotes from the time. Your credibilty just took another hit.

Now that's funny, cause I recall very distinctly getting involved in a debate yesterday about a school district policy in Texas.

Wow, one other issue in two days.

You seem to have been posting on little more than this thread for some time now while managing to add virtually nothing of value or substance to it. So yes. I do call you shallow.

So you call me shallow for doing for two days what you do for years. That's not too bright.

Quite to the contrary. I am asking you for something very specific - evidence to back your oft-made false allegations against others. If you cannot specify those allegations, you should not make them. What about that is so difficult for you?

Why is it difficult for you to make a definitive statement. It's because you're a subtle liar.

It often tends to almost immediately following your arrival at any given thread. Coincidence? I think not.

You're the one refusing to make definitive statements.

Happily. You're lying.

Then I'm glad you finally admit that Lincoln was not a communist and that slavery was a cause of secession. Now why do you spend all your time implying the opposite. Because you're a subtle liar.

And unlike you, I can prove that you are lying by noting the simple fact that, for all those allegations, you cannot offer a single piece of evidence for any one of them.

Anyone who reads your posts knows what you imply day after day.

Exactly how is asking you to substantiate your abusive and fraudulent charges with evidence being "vague"? Oh wait. I almost forgot. You live in a world where up is down, black is white, war is peace, hot is cold, and all that other stuff.

And you live in a world where it's OK to imply anything you want as long as you don't make a definitive statement. In my world that is lying.

It is your charge and therefore also your burden to prove it.

You're the one that spends every day saying the same thing over and over. The fact that you won't confirm or deny what you imply proves my point that you are a subtle liar.

Sure it can.

No it can't.

If the market demands it, it will happen.

No it won't, not in a few months.

Just the same, if a need arises for an airstrip in Afghanistan, something that normally takes years to build will be erected in a matter of weeks as just happened not to long ago. Calling me names will not change those facts.

Airstrip?! You equate a slab of pavement with a nationwide steel infrastructure?! You are truly naive. Get your nose out of the Civil War BS books and learn something.

What in the world are you rambling about now? Seriously, are you drunk? Or perhaps missing some medication?

It's on this thread, idiot. When I said Kofi's opinion was insignificant, you thought I meant solely that they were so because I disagreed with it. I had to explain to you the difference between "significance" and "agreement".

If you are referring to the Declarations of Causes, call them by that name because that is what they call themselves. Don't get mad at me for pointing out your erronious use of a title because you have only yourself to blame for that.

Well, you have it wrong also because they're actually the Declarations of Immediate Causes. I call them Declarations of Secession because it's shorter and everyone but you knows what I'm talking about.

Nonsense. If I were trying to avoid the Declarations of Causes, I would not have prominently included them in my chart. Thus, by accusing me of ignoring them you are lying.

You try to dismiss them by including them with simple legal statements. Therefore you are truly avoiding them.

Then substantiate that allegation.

Your posts over the last three years. Every post where you implied that Lincoln was a Marxist or a Communist. Every post where you ignore the Declarations of Secession.

By asking you to substantiate them I mean for you to post specific evidence of them such as a quote. It has become apparent though that you are doing exactly what you fraudulently accused me of - intentionally remaining vague about the false allegations you make.

Not at all. You imply that Lincoln is a communist every day. Everyone knows it.

That would require you to quote me.

No it doesn't. I said you are a subtle liar. A subtly liar is one who won't make definitive statements. You have proven that you cannot make a definitve statement because I asked you to do so and you won't do it so my point is proven by this post I'm responding to.

You have yet to do anything of the sort, thus you have not proven your point with my words and thus, by claiming falsely that you have, you expose your habitual dishonesty.

Nope, you won't state clearly your position on Lincoln and secession, therefore you are a subtle liar.

Quote one and prove it. Otherwise you should not shoot your mouth off with fraudulent allegations such as that.

I asked you to make a definitive statement and you won't do it, therefore you are a subtle liar.

70 posted on 03/15/2003 10:55:37 PM PST by #3Fan
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