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Where are the fans? Braves an indicator of baseball's declining attendance
The Miami Herald ^ | Monday, April 28, 2003 | PAUL NEWBERRY - Associated Press

Posted on 04/28/2003 6:08:44 PM PDT by Willie Green

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ATLANTA -Blue skies. Pleasant temperatures. The home team in first place. By all indications, a perfect day for baseball.

Yet nearly half the seats at Turner Field were empty, striking proof that a once-passionate baseball city has turned decidedly cool toward the sport.

The Atlanta Braves, winners of 11 straight division championships, once drew nearly 4 million fans in a season. If this keeps up, they'll barely reach 2 million.

"Before the game, you look around and see what kind of crowd you've got," outfielder Chipper Jones said after Sunday's game, which drew only 27,313 to 50,091-seat Turner Field despite a sunny, 70-degree afternoon. "I just think ticket prices have gotten so outlandish, it's tough for a family of four to come watch their team play."

The Braves aren't alone, either.

Attendance is down throughout the major leagues, slipping 4.8 percent through Sunday's games when compared to a similar point last year. And this comes on top of a 6-percent decline for the 2002 season.

More troubling, 21 of 30 teams are running behind - for teams such as the Braves, way behind - their per-game averages from last April.

Atlanta is averaging 24,133 through 16 home games, compared with 30,582 through the same number of dates a year ago. That's a decline of 21 percent - hardly encouraging for a team that's already had five straight years of falling attendance since getting a spike with the move to Turner Field in 1997.

Eleven other teams have experienced double-figure drop-offs, including the New York Yankees, down 16 percent, and Seattle Mariners, down 20 percent. Both teams lead their respective divisions.

The biggest fall has been in Cleveland, where that amazing Jacobs Field sellout streak is a distant memory. The Indians are down 30.7 percent this season, just ahead of the Milwaukee Brewers, where attendance is down 30.5 percent in Miller Park's third year.

Leanne and Marc Schneider brought their three children to a Braves game last week. Andrew, 12, Hayley, 9, and Justin, 5, thoroughly enjoyed themselves, but their parents can't afford many of these outings.

"It's expensive," Leanne Schneider said, her kids munching on hot dogs and snacks. "You bring a family and it costs $40 to feed them. More like $50. It's at least $10 apiece for a hot dog.

"We come at least once a year. If it were less expensive, we would come more often. The kids love it. It's a real treat."

The Braves have drawn only one crowd larger than 30,000 - the opening day turnout of 40,244. Since then, they haven't done better than 29,777 for a Saturday night game against NL East rival Philadelphia. Three early season games drew fewer than 20,000.

Paul Adams, the director of ticket sales, admitted being concerned about the slow start at the turnstiles, but he was confident that crowds will improve now that the war in Iraq is essentially over.

"People were not concentrating on baseball during the month of March - when they normally buy tickets in advance - because of the war," Adams said. "Now that the war has broke, hey, it's time to enjoy themselves and come to a ballgame."

A sluggish economy also has hurt attendance. Atlanta was one of the fastest-growing cities in the country during the '90s, but it's been hit hard by layoffs and corporate losses the past few years.

"I think the war and economy are the two big factors," Adams said. "If you look at our attendance, we're not at the top of the pack but we're not at the bottom, either. I feel pretty good after the first month. I think we kind of held our own. I'm anticipating better attendance for the month of May."

Still, the Braves ranked only 12th in the National League and 20th overall in average attendance after the weekend. That's a far cry from the bull market that began in 1991, when the team began its unprecedented streak of division titles.

After drawing fewer than a million fans in 1990 for a last-place team, attendance surged to more than 2 million in the worst-to-first season. In '92, the Braves drew more than 3 million for the first time in franchise history. That was followed by almost 3.9 million in 1993, when the old Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium was virtually sold out for the season.

In 1994, the Braves were averaging more than 47,000 per game when the strike ended the season. Like many teams, they've never fully recovered from that event.

Winning alone appears to sell in Atlanta, so officials have taken several steps to boost attendance. There are 2-for-1 tickets. A family of four can see a game - including drinks, hot dogs, programs and a parking pass - for as little as $49 on certain nights.

Even so, attendance has continued to fall - in Atlanta, and elsewhere.

"I think the game itself will be fine," said Jones, who contributes to the high prices with his $90 million contract. "But something has to be done. I don't know what it is."


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1 posted on 04/28/2003 6:08:44 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Sorry Willie, while I agree with and understand your concerns, to anyone who lives here and is paying attention, this one doesn't wash.

The Braves don't have their pitching of the 90's, AOL/TW isn't funding them like Ted did, and it just isn't the same. I went to opening day, and have a nice digital image of Maddox's ERA after inning one: 36.00.
I wish I had it hosted somewhere so I could link it here.

The stadium has always been a b!tch to get to for affluent suburbanites, and it's just not worth the hassle this year. That's the real driver behind reduced attendance in Atlanta.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 6:14:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Willie Green
I think Maddux is getting 12 or 15 million for one year. That amounts to about a million for each game he wins. At twenty bucks an hour, Joe sixpack is not wanted at Turner Field. Jimmy carter will be there as a moocher.
3 posted on 04/28/2003 6:15:25 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Willie Green
We enjoy the Bowie Basox, a minor league team. We don't need to worry about parking, getting ripped off on ticket prices or watching high priced over paid fat cats. It's just an afternoon or night of fun with fireworks sometimes as the final show.

I wouldn't go to an O's game if they paid me. Sorry folks, that's juts the way I feel.

"They" killed it.

4 posted on 04/28/2003 6:18:11 PM PDT by evad ("We'll put a boot in yer ass...it's the American way"..Toby)
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To: Willie Green; eddie willers
First, where does a Miami(Home of the Marlins) reporter get off on discussing the Braves declining attendance?

Second, I'd attribute declining attendance at (U.N. mouthpiece shill) Turner field to...

A) The "Newness" factor of the new(And grossly misnamed)stadium wearing off.

B) The "Newness" factor of winning divisions wearing off.

C) My business has been good, but a lot of people aren't making much money right now.

BTW...The oft reported demise of the Braves this season has been greatly exaggerated.

5 posted on 04/28/2003 6:18:18 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Nothing like a sense of humor to smooth the edges of life.)
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To: Willie Green
"..."I think the game itself will be fine," said Jones, who contributes to the high prices with his $90 million contract. "But something has to be done. I don't know what it is..." - - He knows. He just does not want to say.
6 posted on 04/28/2003 6:19:37 PM PDT by error99
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To: Willie Green
People have gradually grown less fond of the sport over the years. Players' strikes, irrational salaries, movement of teams and players from one city to another. It's been a long time coming, but baseball isn't what it used to be.

Baseball enjoyed a kind of revival when the left-wingers fell in love with it. No violence or head-to head competition, slow and lazy, field of dreams kind of stuff. But I can't get excited about it any more.
7 posted on 04/28/2003 6:20:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Willie Green
Sounds as if the fans are a little sick and tired of the "Over Paid flunkies". If it weren't for the inflated salaries, a family could afford to go to more games throughout the year.

Its not the Bush Economy, Willie. This has been happening for afew years in a row. You are bringing numbers from 1993, hell if you want to be credible, bring some more recent years attendance #'s to the game.

8 posted on 04/28/2003 6:20:37 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Baseball was a game once, not anymore...that's sad)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
Just checking your previous posts, you are nothing but a Liberal Bush Basher....its time to put an alert out on you Willie.....
9 posted on 04/28/2003 6:23:16 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Baseball was a game once, not anymore...that's sad)
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To: evad
I used to "live" at Yankee Stadium.....pictures with the players...friends with the security guards.....getting in for free....sitting with the Yankee wives....telling people where their seats were...bringing home mega bats on bat day.....bringing home a piece of right field during the "78" world series...lots of fun....... But....I haven't been to a game since "81".......I still enjoy watching my Yanks....just not into going anymore........
10 posted on 04/28/2003 6:24:05 PM PDT by geege
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To: Willie Green
Just about all of the lower box Giants tickets for the whole season at Pac Bell Park were gone in one day when Internet sales started.

Getting to the World Series sells tickets.

11 posted on 04/28/2003 6:24:36 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Willie Green
I not a great baseball fan, but I have been watching Baseball Tonight on ESPN. If you get a chance to look out at the stands you will find a lot of empty seats. This league is in trouble and will continue to die unless both the owners and players decide they want to save their league. I would think it is disheartening to the players to look out at the stands and hardly see anyone there, but until they are willing to change that then that is how it will stay.
12 posted on 04/28/2003 6:26:08 PM PDT by nononsense
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To: FreedomPoster; Willie Green
Freedom poster brought up a point that I left out of my post 5.

I've attended Braves games since the days of Aaron and Evans.

After the new stadium was built, they started closing off certain streets during games. This really increased my travel time coming from the west side, as I was forced by these closings to join the mass migration of cars headed towards the northern suburbs.

This has caused me to quit attending around 10 games a year.

If the MARTA train went straight to the stadium(Another brilliant decision by those in charge), I would not hesitate to take it.

13 posted on 04/28/2003 6:26:09 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Nothing like a sense of humor to smooth the edges of life.)
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To: viligantcitizen; FreedomPoster
The Braves don't have their pitching of the 90's

And Millwood throws a no-hitter yesterday.
Aarrgghh!

14 posted on 04/28/2003 6:26:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Willie Green
Why I think MLB is in trouble:

1) I get free tickets - with parking - to Yankee stadium about one a year - right behind home plate - costs me about $150. to take the family. (Imagine if I paid the $66. face value + parking)

2) I can take the family to a minor league game for about half what the "free" tickets wind up costing - And have more fun - and miss the 1/2 hour traffic jam just to get out of the parking lot.

3) Corporations are cutting back on some of the perks - season tickets are an easy target for the CFO.

4) Just a guess - but I bet many are tired of these overpaid self-aggrandizing fools especially after being reminded what real heroes are.

15 posted on 04/28/2003 6:28:29 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: viligantcitizen
If the MARTA train went straight to the stadium(Another brilliant decision by those in charge),

An incredibly stupid decision made when MARTA was first being built.
That they didn't fix that mistake when given a second chance due to Olympic money/construction is simply beyond belief.
(I smell Bill Campbell skullduggery here)

16 posted on 04/28/2003 6:35:26 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
5) Stadiums going to non-smoking.
(That's got to knock out a few)
17 posted on 04/28/2003 6:35:50 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Cicero
While players have moved regularly and expansion has introduced new teams and some slight shifting of divisions and leagues. The last time a baseball team has actually moved was I believe the second version of the Washington Senators to Texas. Prior to that the Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee. Both in the early seventies so there has been basically 30 years of stability as far as team homes go. The other 3 team sports have been much more fluid in team movement.
18 posted on 04/28/2003 6:52:25 PM PDT by xp38
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To: eddie willers; viligantcitizen
Millwood was my Blackjack dealer at a charity event we went to earlier this year (Chipper and Jeff Foxworthy had just vacated the table). Every time I asked for a card, I went bust. At the end, I said to him, "Kevin, you're a helluva pitcher, but you SUCK as a Blackjack dealer!" Good guy, he got a good laugh out of that.

I wish him good success post-Atlanta.
19 posted on 04/28/2003 7:03:46 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
I wish him good success post-Atlanta.

I do too....cool as a cucumber and never griped when he wasn't doing well.

All knowledgeable Braves fans screamed when he was traded. As fine a man as Greg Maddox is, he is on the backside of glory and, hey, it's a business.
Shoulda kept Kevin and moved Greg.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 7:12:02 PM PDT by eddie willers
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