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Kerry ads and his supporters continue to make stuff up about the economy
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/25/171833.shtml ^

Posted on 04/10/2004 7:54:24 AM PDT by truthfinder9

Note how the unemployment is at its lowest in 30 years and growth is unprecedented. Where's the bad economy?

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The Facts Show Increase of Jobs Under Bush

Paige McKenzie, NewsMax.com Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2004 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/25/171833.shtml

The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost" since President Bush took office. His could be the worst job record since before World War II, they claim.

One little problem: It's not true.

Not only has there been no net loss of jobs during the Bush administration, there has been a net gain, even with the devastation of 9/11. At least 2.4 million jobs have been created since the president took office, 2 million of those in 2003. The gains more than offset the losses.

While Democrats continue to beat their election-year drums about outsourcing, manufacturing losses, unemployment and slow growth in employment, America’s economy has been steadily creating jobs.

At least 366,000 jobs have been created in the last five months, over 100,000 of those in January, White House press secretary Scott McClellan has noted. And though the eight-month recession “officially” ended in November, economic indicators are surprising economists and pointing toward a take-off in the recovery.

The signs: · The 5.6 percent unemployment rate is the lowest in two years and below the average of the 1980s (7.3 percent) and '90s (5.8 percent), and still continues to drop. · The nation's economic output revealed the strongest quarterly growth in 20 years. The data for the fourth quarter of 2003 show that the civilian labor force rose by 333,000, while the number of unemployed in the labor force dropped by 575,000. Even better, the number of so-called discouraged workers declined in December. · Consumer spending grew between 4 percent and 5 percent last year, and real hourly earnings rose 1.5 percent. Real earnings have risen over the last three years. · Exports doubled to 19 percent in the fourth quarter, compared to less than 9 percent in the third. · The number of American workers is at an all-time high of 138.5 million, a level never before attained in U.S. history. · Jobless claims are 10 percent below the average of the last 25 years and still falling. · Hiring indices are up, even in manufacturing. · Productivity growth is extremely high.

Now the doomsayers are criticizing the validity of the unemployment rate, which at 5.6 percent does not fit their gloomy story.

Faulty Counting

The problem is the areas of biggest job growth are usually not even being counted at all.

Though 75 percent of jobs are created by small companies, according to the Small Business Administration, this sector’s entrepreneurial activity and the jobs it creates are left out by Washington bean counters when calculating official new job numbers.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does its Payroll Survey by phoning businesses to crunch the number of jobs that have been gained or lost. This is where Democrats grabbed onto their lifeline, the 2.3 million figure. Look only at the Payroll Survey, and there has been a gain of only 522,000 jobs since Bush took office.

But here’s the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn’t static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity.

People are called at home and asked if they have jobs, or if they are in the market for a job. In contrast to the Payroll Survey, the Household Survey shows that 2.4 million jobs have been created so far during Bush's time in office.

As Economy.com writer Haseeb Ahmed recently wrote, "something is amiss in the [Payroll] survey." Credit Where Credit Is Due

That’s not all. When doomsayers, and media spoiling for a fight in an election year, laughed at Bush’s prediction of 2.6 million new jobs this year, not everyone was scoffing.

Ahmed, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and others hardly batted an eye. Greenspan said it was "probably feasible" the economy would reach the Bush administration's forecast of adding 2.6 million jobs this year, provided growth continues and the productivity rate slows to more typically levels. "I don't think it's 'Fantasyland,'" Greenspan said. "I agree with him," said John Ryding, chief market economist at Bear Stearns. "I think that we will create 2.5 million, possibly more, jobs over the balance of the year."

Ahmed is convinced that "the revision patterns of the early-1990s recovery cycle" will be repeated. A total of 1.4 million job gains were revised upward to 2.9 million in the first 21 months after the end of the last recession, just after Bush Sr. was voted out of office.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: economy; employment; jobs; kerry; president

1 posted on 04/10/2004 7:54:24 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
>The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost"...
>One little problem: It's not true...

Actually, one big problem: it is true.

As Greenspan stated in his testimony the Household Survey is inaccurate and becoming more so with each passing month.

His dismissal of the Household survey was particularly forceful because it was delivered in more or less plain English (as opposed to his normal 'Greenspeak').

"It is apparent that a goodly part of the problem is that the household employment has been overestimated largely because of what we perceive to be an overestimate of population."

"With these types of analysis, plus the fact that 60,000 is a very large sample but it still has sample variance -- so we have concluded that as best we can judge, the payrolls series is the more accurate number."

For Greenspan this testimony amounted to a sharp rebuke of the BLS's refusal to recalibrate the assumptions behind the Household survey and bring it closer to reality.
2 posted on 04/11/2004 7:30:19 PM PDT by ljmiii (Actually, Bush's BLS is making the numbers up...(source - Alan Greenspan))
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To: truthfinder9
Old Marine Corps saying..."Figures Don't Lie, But Liars Can Figure". Semper Fidelis.
3 posted on 04/12/2004 1:37:18 AM PDT by MCFujiTanker
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To: ljmiii
Actually, one big problem: it is true.

Welcome troll newbie!

Neither number is an "accurate" reflection of the number of jobs "created" during the last 3+ years. While the payroll data is the more "precise" (an unfortunate error on Greenspan's part), neither is "accurate". Both have "holes" in the data that keep them from being a completely valid measure of employment from a political perspective.

For instance, while the payroll number IS more precise (a smaller MOE) it does not take properly into account the number of self-employed workers or the number of people working for start-up companies. In an expanding economy (which we are clearly in) you have more jobs created by these start-ups than you would at other times. Because the payroll (or "establishment" survey does not include these companies, it will under-report "new jobs".

While the household survey is FAR less "accurate" (if you're looking for a number of people employed), it is very useful for its intended purpose. That is, "what percentage of the people who want/can work are unable to do so?"

"How many jobs" that works out to be DOES depend on your measure of how many people are out there, but the percentage doesn't change.

Unfortunately, for people (like you?) who wish that Kerry would have a chance (he doesn't) at victory... The employment number is one of Kerry's "best" issues... and it's almost precisely at the same level Clinton's was when he ran for re-election. kinda hard to spin that as "dismal" considering the environment he had to work in.

4 posted on 04/12/2004 7:29:35 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: truthfinder9
Scary. Dem voters believe him


5 posted on 04/12/2004 2:21:26 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate))
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To: IMRight
Indeed, an "accurate" unemployment number is impossible since there is no agreement on the significance of millions of Americans in circumstances that don't fit our model of normal employment -- those employed in the black or grey market, those able and willing but no longer looking for work, and so forth.

But the payroll unemployment number is primarily an actual measure of independently verifiable payroll data. It does have a fudge factor because it uses statistical models to account for new businesses and the self-employed -- whether it does so 'properly' is of course in the eye of the beholder -- but the core of the payroll number is real data. The unemployment number from the household survey on the other hand is almost pure statistical hand-waving. It starts with a too small sample set of people who are theoretically willing to respond truthfully to a government survey and goes downhill from there.

But what particularly irks me (thus my post) is we know that because of the problem with the population estimate the household survey is skewing high and the divergence is increasing. Yet, 'somehow', this skew is unlikely to be corrected until after Nov '04.

>Unfortunately, for people (like you?) who wish that Kerry would have a chance (he doesn't) at victory...

Unfortunately, people like me wish we had a Republican running for president in 2004. Someone who stood for 'Peace and Prosperity'. Or felt the fires of 'Free soil, free labor, free speech, and free men' in his heart. Instead I get Hobson's choice.
6 posted on 04/12/2004 8:20:57 PM PDT by ljmiii (Hobson's choice)
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To: IMRight

7 posted on 04/13/2004 5:39:42 PM PDT by Smartass ("HANOI JOHN KERRY" IS A TRAITOR - BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004)
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To: Smartass
After the release of GW Bush's 2003 taxes and those of John Kerry, can anyone of our lurking freepers find or know where to find just what is GW and John Kerry's net worth? GW paid 2 1/2 times as much in taxes as Kerry did, yet I am quite sure that John Kerry has a much greater net worth and consequently making more but reporting less. GW obviously spends more on charities and is limited in his income while a standing president, than John Kerry is willing to admit to making and spending on charity.

Can anyone come up with are the net worths for these two?
8 posted on 04/13/2004 6:37:34 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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To: ljmiii
Is that you, arete? How've you been?


Show 'em my motto!

9 posted on 04/14/2004 3:06:47 PM PDT by rdb3 (Diamond in the back, sunroof top, diggin' the scene with a gangsta lean...)
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To: truthfinder9
Remember how angry the media was when President Bush said the economy was taking a downturn during the 2000 campaign? He was telling the truth, but the media was protecting the democrats so that they could blame Bush for the recession when he became President and the Clinton recession hit!

The opposite is happening now, and the loyal press is pretending with Kerry and the other rats that the economy is a disaster, knowing most people vote with their pocketbooks. EVIL!
10 posted on 04/14/2004 7:33:16 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: truthfinder9
Was Kerry in the movie A few good men?

You can't handle the truth!

-Col. Nathan R. Jessep- as played by Jack Nicholson

11 posted on 04/15/2004 8:54:18 AM PDT by f zero
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To: truthfinder9
John Kerry is deeply troubled.


12 posted on 05/03/2004 5:47:33 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("He never talked vague, idealistic gas. When He said, 'Be perfect,' He meant it." -- C.S. Lewis)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
John Kerry is deeply troubled

You got that right!   The Dems know that there's no need for flipping when Duya's around.


13 posted on 05/04/2004 2:05:12 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate]))
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To: ljmiii

In regard to what you were talking about (2.3 mill, yadda yadda yadda), it seems to me that you are one of the people who believe that the economy is in the dumps because of Bush. I live in Oregon, not too far away from Portland. The truck building company "Freightliner" layed off about 2/3 of their assembly lines. My father, who ran a machining business at the time felt the economy drop. When "Freightliner" went back online he was out of work. This war two years before the Adultrous Bill Clinton left office. Oh, and was it not Clinton that passed the NAFTA agreement? Have a nice day.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 8:57:42 AM PDT by Color Guard (Color Guard)
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To: ljmiii

In regard to what you were talking about (2.3 mill, yadda yadda yadda), it seems to me that you are one of the people who believe that the economy is in the dumps because of Bush. I live in Oregon, not too far away from Portland. The truck building company "Freightliner" layed off about 2/3 of their assembly lines. My father, who ran a machining business at the time felt the economy drop. When "Freightliner" went back online he was out of work. This was two years before the Adultrous Bill Clinton left office. Oh, and was it not Clinton that passed the NAFTA agreement? Have a nice day.


15 posted on 05/20/2004 9:01:42 AM PDT by Color Guard (Color Guard)
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