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Posted on 03/22/2009 11:55:37 PM PDT by tiniyo
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And help spread the word about our $1 million reward to Barack Hussein Obama for him to produce his “real” long-form birth certificate...we will continue to increase the amount of the reward until it is so huge that the American people will begin to question why he has sealed all his background info to hide something...his nationality, his religion, his commie background...what is he trying to hide...we want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What’s Jim Robinson’s take on this? And is there potential for this initiative to dilute the FRee Republic’s efforts?
So is this like Facebook for conservatives?
If you need a “Facebook for conservatives,” what you really need are new friends. :)
What do you mean? FreeRepublic is simple the BEST!! It is the epicenter—:-).
Another site where they will flame me, call me a hatemonger and an extremist for daring to suggest things like taxes should be cut?
Try proposing that we shouldn't wage undeclared wars. THAT one goes over like a lead balloon also.
Seems pretty shameful to pimp a conservative web forum on a competitor’s site.
Actually it grassroots organization that the GOP Fails at.
True. But everybody knows FR is the real thing.
No one I know takes Facebook seriously. It's a toy. A popular toy, but a toy.
FRee Republic is the place for me.
The trolls from DU haunt the underground.
We conservatives live in the sunshine.
> What do you mean? FreeRepublic is simple the BEST!! It is the epicenter:-).
(grin!) The FRee Republic is Conservative CommandCentral(R)! Anything else is — well — something less. Accept no substitutes!
OK, I’ll bite.
Taxes should not be cut - they should not exist.
No form of income, personal or corporate, from any source whatsoever, is the legitimate property of any government.
(Tariffs and taxes on consumption are a different matter.)
No war should ever be fought without first declaring an enemy and an objective, and subsequent to that prosecuting it until the former is totally destroyed and the latter met. (This is not an either/or proposition.)
See? You weren’t alone afterall!
Dang... you’re probably already on somebody’s list! =]
OK, I’ll bite:
> No form of income, personal or corporate, from any source whatsoever, is the legitimate property of any government.
What about income originating from convicts sentenced to hard labor as a part of their custodial sentence? Seems reasonable that any income arising from that should become property of HM Prisons, to help defray the cost of incarceration. What say you to that?
(Good practical example: the prison installs a big treadmill capable of keeping 100 convicts moving at a steady speed of 5 miles per hour 24 x 7, in twenty rows of five across. Twelve hours on, six hours sleep, six hours rehabilitation therapy. Two shifts. The treadmill is attached to a generator, which in turn provides electricity to the grid; or to a pump that extracts water or oil from the ground.
I’d say that makes a fine Conservative project.)
Her (or His) Majesties can do whatever they wish with the rats in their Royal Hamster Cage.
“Taxes should not be cut - they should not exist.
No form of income, personal or corporate, from any source whatsoever, is the legitimate property of any government.”
I’m in total agreement with you on this.
But conservatives seem to prefer to argue on the same platform, using the same principles, as the left—however, to a “lesser degree”. Which, as everyone should know, does not exist in the universe. You either are socialist, or you are not.
Reagan lowered taxes by arguing against them.
Regan shrank government by arguing against government.
Seems simple to me but conservatives choose to dwell in gray areas leaving their soft underbelly exposed to the leftist devils.
This is their beloved leader but they focus on his communication skills rather than his guiding principles and rock-solid character—both are sworn enemies of the “gray area”.
You are a capitalist, and act like one, or you are not.
Any approximation increase variables and subjects you to Murphy’s Law on steroids.
This is why PRINCIPLES and the resulting CHARACTER are so vital to human evolution. They succeed where EVERYTHING else fails.
“What about income originating from convicts sentenced to hard labor as a part of their custodial sentence?”
Prisoners should not be sentenced to hard labor, or any kind of forced labor.
Slavery should not be the aim of our legal system, criminals, or not. It’s only aim should be to protect the innocent, that’s all.
This makes answering your question impossible, for me, at least.
> Prisoners should not be sentenced to hard labor, or any kind of forced labor.
What about the concept that if you do not work you should not eat. That is a biblical principle and is in the finest Conservative tradition. Prisoners in gaol should not be exempted from that principle, surely?
> Its only aim should be to protect the innocent, thats all.
What about punishing the guilty? What about rehabilitating them before they are released back into the community? Those are both legitimate goals of the penal system, surely?
These are our prisoners, not our slaves. The question is a moral one. They should not be forced to work.
If it is a voluntary decision that can benefit them in their rehabilitation, or reduced time, etc., then fine.
We are slave owners, or we are not.
Now, I don’t want to get into a discussion about punishment. The question was regarding forced labor.
I’ll kindly end it there as I don’t feel up to typing out a book this morning.
> Ill kindly end it there as I dont feel up to typing out a book this morning.
(grin!) Fair enough.
I guess that is one key difference between your flavor of Conservatism and mine. I see nothing immoral about requiring convicts to work for their sustainance: quite the contrary. I believe it is immoral for them not to and would have no compunctions about requiring it, as the concept enjoys full support from the ultimate Conservative document, Holy Writ.
That’s one of the key advantages to Conservatism: differing conservative viewpoints can be accommodated without compromising the key underlying principles that make Conservatism — well — conservative.
Kudos to you and Boucheau...
An intelligent conversation that didn’t degrade into name calling and flame throwing. I wish there was more of that here on FR.
> Kudos to you and Boucheau...
> An intelligent conversation that didnt degrade into name calling and flame throwing. I wish there was more of that here on FR.
Check out the above linked thread, starting with post #13 or so, and read to the end.
To his credit - no matter what side of the debate you’re on - Kozak both publicly and privately (through FReepmail to me) did the right thing and re-elevated the tone.
I have also sent him a conciliatory letter.
There’s something in the air I think - A feeling that these differences in our big tent need to be put aside for a united front against the real enemy we face. We need to remember that the enemy of my enemy is my FRiend.
Our conservatism needs to be uncompromising, but the movement I envision has room in it for the Deist Jefferson, the Atheist Rand and the Evangelical Graham.
Whatever their notions of the nature and destiny of man, their understanding of natural law and the limited government that it necessitates is common.
I started to make this a PM, but then thought it might be a sentiment worth sharing.
“...but the movement I envision has room in it for the Deist Jefferson, the Atheist Rand and the Evangelical Graham.”
I agree. If these groups can come together to fight the left(and I think they are) we will be a strong force.
The core agreement on INDIVIDUAL freedom is a huge deal.
For the record: I am not always a nice-guy on this forum. I can only tolerate ingorance so far, then, admittedly, I can get pretty cranky.
Lately, there have been some people here arguing against the AIG bonuses that have made me very angry as they argue alongside the hard-left.
I have beaten them down relentlessly. :)
I MEAN well, when I must.
The Conservative Underground is a social network with posters who are not trying to be funny/pithy etc. They are more serious -my take.
If you are socializing here on this site and are satisfied, then don’t investigate the other sites.