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To: jocon307; KansasGirl; Sudetenland; Diogenesis; Dudoight; Old Teufel Hunden; Godwin1; SMARTY; ...
Thank you for this thread, jocon307. It is quite interesting, your examination of the split among Republican voters/donators.

I am truly at a loss right now about Perry. I want so much to believe him and in him, but right now I am very suspicious of what might be behind him.

I have serious concerns that conservatives are being set up with Perry. I am concerned that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I LOVE the things he is saying on the campaign trail, but have strong reservations about his track record of actions and possible power elite backing.

If I had to choose right now him or Romney it would be him, Perry. I do not know AT ALL who I support overall at this time. That being said, I would crawl over broken glass to vote for anyone that has a serious shot at unseating Obama and has ANY kind of real conservative credential. While I question Perry's conservative credential, I see from his time in Texas that an engaged electorate can sway him.

I am asking everyone to please consider carefully Perry's background - do your own research confirmations of what people say about him, both positive and negative.

Here is some research I did when a friend sent me the Glenn Beck interview of Perry:

I love Beck, love the interview. Was looking at some of the commentary below the interview and I decided to look into the accusations. This is what I found, just to scratch the surface a little bit. These findings may or not be relevant to your election decision equations, but they are to mine, and I will weigh this data carefully.

Glenn Beck interviewing Rick Perry 6 27 11
Beck interview of Perry

He's favorable toward Perry.

Two comments from Comment section at bottom of interview page:

"Rick Perry Attended 2007 Bilderberg Meeting in Turkey, Signed Executive Order Requiring HPV Vaccines for All 6th Grade; Girls, Former Democrat and Headed Campaign of Al Gore, supported Trans-Texas Corridor/NAFTA Super Highway and Sanctuary Cities"

"Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign. Got it? Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign. Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign!"

Following are the stories/reports I found regarding some of the charges in the first comment.

Report of Rick Perry's attendance at Bilderberg Turkey 2007:

Perry's attendance at 2007 Bilderberg Meeting in Turkey
News 8 Austin

Report of Perry's support of Sanctuary Cities:
Perry's support of sanctuary cities
From a San Antonio newspaper

Rick Perry's participation in the Trans Texas Corridor:
Perry and Trans Texas Corridor
From the Houston Chronicle

17 posted on 08/18/2011 8:44:25 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: TEXOKIE

At least Perry HAS a record of effort, achievement and activity. At LEAST he has a demonstrated character.

You may agree or disagree, the facts are evident! I have not seen Perry lying, cringing in shame or side-stepping anything in his past. He has been clear and forthcoming whenever asked about previous views and actions. THAT is positive and DOES NOT insult my intelligence.

No challenge as rigorous was ever presented to “O” and no record so well-documented was available when “O” was shoved under our noses for consideration.


20 posted on 08/18/2011 9:13:33 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks Texokie, but it is really Mr. Ellis’s analysis not mine.

Here is a link to post at Red State discussing in some detail many of the arguments (and slurs) against Perry.

http://www.redstate.com/izoneguy/2011/08/14/seventeen-17-things-that-critics-are-saying-about-rick-perry/

Now, this is a very Pro-Perry analysis, which is to be expected since Perry announced at the Red State “Gathering”.

As an aside: I really don’t understand why that aspect didn’t get more coverage. A major candidate (because let’s face it like him or not he was always going to be a major candidate, he’s the multiple term governor of the currently most successful and always one of the largest states in America) at a blogger’s convention and pretty much nobody took note of that fact.

Anyway, it is very pro-Perry and I think it overlooks what might be the most damning charges against him which are his tendency to crony-capitalism and accusations of his living high on the hog on the taxpayer’s dime.

But it is worth reading, nevertheless, because it explains what that Bilderberger thing is and to me it refuted all those conspiratorial accusations you hear about it.

Although, I suppose if I believed in that conspiracy theory I would think it just proved it right!

Of all the arguments against Perry, the Al Gore thing to me is moot.

So, he was a Democrat, so were many republicans, including Regan. So, when he was a Democrat he was State Chair for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. To me this just demonstrates that Perry has always been a successful politician. You can’t turn back time and it is very likely that whoever wins the nom. will be a successful politician.

Evidently the last non-pol to be President was Eisenhower and I’m not sure you could really say a military career like the one Ike had wasn’t a “poltical” experience.


21 posted on 08/18/2011 9:17:13 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: TEXOKIE

Perry does NOT support Sanctuary Cities. With the Conservative base in Tx, if Perry were anything but a Conservative he would not have bee elected THREE times as GOV.

He has explained his belief in the HPV vacinations was to prevent Cancer. Frankly I think Merck pulled the this will prevent cervical cancer and he bought it.
IMO Merck was trying to get the State to become liable if yet another of their Drugs proved to be dangerous. I know I wouldn’t subject my daughter to this.

The Bush bunch pushed hard for the Trans highway. Remember Nafta was Daddy Bushes brainstorm. Thankfully Perry finally came down on the side of the people. Maybe THAT is why GHW and Babs don’t like Perry. The days of the backroom deals are over (hopefully) The old Washigton Bulls need to be put out to pasture.
I’m looking for a Secreteriat. You know someone that will leave the corrupt policies now in D.C behind in the dust.
I know that is probably unrealistic but I can hope.


23 posted on 08/18/2011 9:28:25 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: TEXOKIE

Interesting points you bring up. I would like to respond to a couple of them.

First off, I’m not a tri-lateralists and I believe just about every politician has probably attended a Bilderburgher conference. I don’t believe in this grand conspiracy to make the world into a one world order.

Two, it is true he was Al Gores Texas campaign manager. But that was in 1987 which is 23 years ago. Al Gore was very different back then and people can change their opinions on things over a 23 year period. To give you an example, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and a huge FDR supporter. By 1964, only 20 years after FDR’s death he was making speeches in support of Barry Goldwater.

Three, the HPV vaccines was rejected by the Texas legislature and no Texas girls were ever forced to get this vaccination. He has since said it was wrong and apologized for it. It’s time to move on from that one IMO.

In short, no politician is perfect. As I’ve said before, today if a California governor announced his candidacy who was a previous Democrat, raised taxes and passed gun control legislation while he was governor. People on this website would be excoriating him. That governor was Ronald Reagan. No candidate is ever perfect.


27 posted on 08/18/2011 10:59:12 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TEXOKIE

“Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. Got it? Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign!”


In truth Perry was the Texas State Chairman of the Al Gore Democratic Primary Campaign in Texas which Gore lost to Dukakis.


33 posted on 08/18/2011 7:04:40 PM PDT by deport ( In Texas it's hotter than two goats fighting in a jalapeno patch.)
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