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Why Republicans Just Don't Get Libertarians
Yahoo News ^ | March 16, 2012 | John A. Tures

Posted on 03/16/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by johnatures

There is a chorus of calls for Ron Paul to get out of the race because "he's not a true Republican."

The Koch Brothers are trying to take over the libertarian think tank Cato Institute, and morph it into more of a conservative attack machine.

You'll hear people call the Libertarians "GOP lite."

Folks will accuse libertarians of siphoning votes unnecessarily from Republicans, helping to elect Democrats.

Is this just a case of semantics, or disgruntled Republicans joining up with a new party just to win a nomination that they couldn't capture within the GOP? Or is there a deep ideological difference between the two parties?

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TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; catoinstitute; kochbrothers; libertarian; republican

1 posted on 03/16/2012 8:49:47 PM PDT by johnatures
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To: johnatures

What is there to get? Libertarians are Anarchists who bathe.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 8:52:22 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: johnatures

Losertarians.


3 posted on 03/16/2012 8:54:05 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: johnatures

Libertarians are not Republicans.
I do not know why there is even a question about that.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 8:57:54 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: johnatures

If there was EVER was a “libertarian” cause to pledge your life, your fortune, your sacred honor for...at this late stage of the republic...that would be the fight against Obama/Totalitariancare.

crickets...


5 posted on 03/16/2012 8:58:18 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: johnatures

(groan) “Republican” is the name of a political party; “libertarian” is the name of a political ideology. Contrasting libertarians and “Republicans” is a nonsense argument, just like contrasting libertarians and “Democrats”, but what do you want from a college professor.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 8:58:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Psycho_Bunny
What is there to get? Libertarians are Anarchists who bathe.

Despite their irresponsibility in some other areas, libertarians are true fiscal conservatives. This isn't something most GOP politicians can claim.
7 posted on 03/16/2012 9:00:53 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: johnatures

Why Republicans Just Don’t Get Conservatives-It has come to this.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 9:03:10 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: PGalt

Touche!


9 posted on 03/16/2012 9:04:50 PM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

true dat.

I tried to do research on the “Free West Alliance” once.

I stopped when I found out they considered “victimless crimes” to be things like incest, organ trafficking and cannibalism...


10 posted on 03/16/2012 9:06:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: johnatures

Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion, I have a problem with them. I know, I know ... one song charley here ... not so, just the first of many problems I have with Libertarians.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 9:07:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Olog-hai

There are “Libertarians” and “libertarians”.

I flirted with small “L” libertarianism when I was young. Until I found out more about the Libertarian Party and some of their platform issues.

The result of a little study left me cold.

Meaning of words change over time with inappropriate use.

Example: Liberal

In the 1770’s a Liberal was an Anti-Statist Anti-Monarchist.

In this day a “Liberal’ is a Marxist/Fascist Statist. No Liberty is involved in that.

Welcome to Post 1984. Classic doublespeak.

I stated this the day Obozo was coronated.

“Welcome to New Kenya.” (Africa U.S.A.)

“Where the law of the jungle has replaced the Law of the Land”

Please God: Save the United States of America.


12 posted on 03/16/2012 9:07:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: johnatures
You'll hear people call the Libertarians "GOP lite."

It's not what I call them. They don't want to know what I call them.
13 posted on 03/16/2012 9:07:32 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: johnatures

Libertarians and Republicans are not the same thing, just as anarchists and Democrats are not the same thing. Many people have complex views that don’t fit neatly in boxes. Libertarians and Republicans often share goals that is enough.


14 posted on 03/16/2012 9:09:24 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: johnatures

Though not riddled with the usual strawman arguments posed by leftwing and conservative opponents to libertarianism, this article is pretty lightweight. For a serious article on the subject, Google “Why I Am Not a Conservative” by F.A. Hayek. Milton Friedman meant pretty much the same thing when he said, “I am libertarian with a small ‘l’ and Republican with a capital ‘R’. And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”


15 posted on 03/16/2012 9:11:10 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: johnatures

http://www.freetalklive.com/ These people are so called liberation. Listen to their broadcasts and decide. I listen for an hour or so daily and view their protests of civil disobedience. They brag about not paying taxes and not registering cars. However, some info is worthy of notice.


16 posted on 03/16/2012 9:12:54 PM PDT by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: johnatures; bamahead; traviskicks; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurking Libertarian

Speaking for myself, I have Libertarian sympathies, even though I’m not a full-fledged Libertarian. I have no problem with having them in the party and winning elective office.


17 posted on 03/16/2012 9:13:13 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: johnatures

Libertarians leaders fight GOP more than they fight DEM


18 posted on 03/16/2012 9:14:45 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: dog breath

Libertarians are “strict constructionists” of the Constitution. That is why they have many things in common with conservatives - other than “cultural conservatives” who want to impose their idea of religious morality as an official government standard.

Libertarians are for protection of individual rights against the majority.


19 posted on 03/16/2012 9:15:14 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: doc1019
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion, I have a problem with them. I know, I know ... one song charley here

You're spot on, doc. If they can't get this issue right, how can they be trusted on anything else?

20 posted on 03/16/2012 9:15:51 PM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: johnatures

Oh noes ! The Koch Brothers !


21 posted on 03/16/2012 9:17:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: johnatures

I think many folks do not know what the word “libertarian” actually means. For example, I remember hearing Bill Maher saying he was a “libertarian voting for Ralph Nader.” OK, libertarians for big government socialism :?


22 posted on 03/16/2012 9:27:22 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: doc1019
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion, I have a problem with them.

You have to delineate between the party and the philosophy.

I consider myself a small 'l' libertarian. And one of the basic principles is not initiating force against others.

Abortion is the ultimate force against the most vulnerable, and absolutely unacceptable.

/johnny

23 posted on 03/16/2012 9:28:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

‘Despite their irresponsibility in some other areas, libertarians are true fiscal conservatives. This isn’t something most GOP politicians can claim. ‘

THANK YOU


24 posted on 03/16/2012 9:29:43 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: johnatures

I think Republicans get Libertarians just fine.

It’s upper-case L Libertarians, who don’t get that America is worth defending.

The LP is clueless about the real world.

Until that changes, Libertarians marginalize the entire concept of libertarianism.

Upper-case L Libertarians are to libertarianism, what RINOs are to the GOP:

The problem.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 9:30:24 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: johnatures

I’m more of an anarcho-libertarian or market-anarchist, but vote R for practical purposes.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 9:30:41 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exactly.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 9:33:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marsh2
Libertarians are “strict constructionists” of the Constitution. That is why they have many things in common with conservatives - other than “cultural conservatives” who want to impose their idea of religious morality as an official government standard.

The Republican Party was founded to abolish Slavery. This is one of those acts of "imposing their ideas of Religious Morality" on others. No doubt you disapprove of their success in so doing.

Roe v. Wade is cut from the same cloth as Dred Scott v. Sanford: Certain classes of people are property.

Libertarians are for protection of individual rights against the majority.

Unless those individuals are not considered persons. Then they have no rights.

28 posted on 03/16/2012 9:34:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Justify as you might ... the acceptance of abortion is a plank in your parties philosophy.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 9:35:24 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Drango

Because Libertarians are dope smoking F ups.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 9:35:55 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: johnatures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUs-DoeqI5U&feature=youtu.be


31 posted on 03/16/2012 9:36:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: doc1019
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion

I don't know. I guess I consider myself most closely aligned with classical liberalism, and I am opposed to abortion. It's pretty easy to oppose it when you believe that life begins at conception, and that life possesses natural rights and that individual liberty must be secured.

But then again, I've always been a little annoyed at labels like this. I think it's much more constructive to avoid jumping to conclusions about someone's beliefs, and just ask them how they stand on a particular issue.
32 posted on 03/16/2012 9:38:37 PM PDT by andyk (Tax credits == Welfare)
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To: doc1019
Not my party, bucko, any more than Republicans are my party.

It's the philosophy that I'm discussing.

Some people have problems separating the two. Which is why the Republicans have RINOs.

/johnny

33 posted on 03/16/2012 9:38:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Bucko”, I have been called many things but “Bucko” ... LOL! Sounds like something from Happy Days. Love it. LMAO!


34 posted on 03/16/2012 9:45:07 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: marsh2
Actually the strict constructionist would point out that questions of public morality are reserved to the states by the tenth amendment. There are things in the Constitution which don't really comport with libertarianism. For example what is the libertarian justification for federally-run post offices? If it were up to libertarians we would not have the Constitution at all. We could have just kept the Articles of Confederation. The ratification of the Constitution greatly expanded the powers of the central government.
35 posted on 03/16/2012 9:55:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: johnatures

Silly questions - it has nothing to do with Republicans (after all, RuPaul is a Republican, right? /s)

It’s that RP/Libertarians are NOT Conservative.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 10:05:33 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: johnatures

37 posted on 03/16/2012 10:07:26 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: johnatures
I call Libertarians broken clocks. They may be right on two subjects but wrong on the whole rest of the dial. Actually I call them something else but I can't say that here. Even that John Stossel that O’Reiley has on all the time is a total idiot jerk.
38 posted on 03/16/2012 10:35:49 PM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: doc1019

Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion
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Wrong! For those Libertarians who **know** that life begins at conception, they have a problem with abortion. I was very active in my state’s Libertarian Party for many years. Nearly all the Libertarians with whom I associated opposed abortion because without life there cannot be liberty or the pursuit of happiness.


39 posted on 03/16/2012 10:42:37 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: johnatures

No, we get them, we just don’t want them.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 11:34:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Olog-hai

“(groan) “Republican” is the name of a political party; “libertarian” is the name of a political ideology. Contrasting libertarians and “Republicans” is a nonsense argument, just like contrasting libertarians and “Democrats”, but what do you want from a college professor.”

^ exactly


41 posted on 03/16/2012 11:53:53 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I thought RINO was another word for libertarian?


42 posted on 03/17/2012 2:01:35 AM PDT by IDFbunny
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To: JRandomFreeper; doc1019
The best representation of libertarianism in the world of reality, is the libertarian party, anything else is ivory towered fantasy nonsense, with each person making up their own definition, from DU, to FR.
43 posted on 03/17/2012 3:29:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet. Pope))
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To: johnatures
It's not that we don't get Libertarians. I don't remember who said it, but I heard someone express the problem perfectly:

Everything terrifying about Ron Paul, he can accomplish on his first day in office. Everything that Republicans love about Ron Paul, he'll never get done.

As a 3rd party, they've never had to govern, and they can have all the stupid ideas they want.

But the basic problem with third parties is this: If a third-party movement cannot capture the largest share of one of the two political parties, it cannot possibly capture the largest share of the electorate as a whole. Therefore, all third-party movements are either cults of personality, or doomed to failure. Worse, they necessarily will attract more voters from the party which has previously attracted their supporters, thus weakening whatever political positions they support.

I have come to the conclusion that Republicans are merely the good cop in the socialists' good cop/bad cop routine with Americans. But the way to do something about this is to first conquer the Republican party, THEN win general elections.

44 posted on 03/17/2012 4:50:18 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ansel12

Libertarianism long precedes the Libertarian Party which has done nothing to earn that name other than fill out some paperwork. I can’t tell you how many Libertarian Party members I’ve encountered who simply want marijuana, and wouldn’t mind one bit if it was given to them to by a government program, which saw fit to abduct ordinary Americans to work on communist Marijuana labor farms. At least Ron Paul is broadening that to include the Dennis Kucinich - Cynthia McKinney crowd. (Actually, I do know a few classic economic liberals and civil-rights crowd types who did switch to Paul, too.)


45 posted on 03/17/2012 4:59:13 AM PDT by dangus
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To: doc1019
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion

Given my response, and the position of Dr. Paul, where does your assertion come from?
46 posted on 03/17/2012 12:11:22 PM PDT by andyk (Tax credits == Welfare)
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To: dangus

I have been a Republican all my life and I consider myself a conservative. I also believe that life begins at conception. My ancestors fought and died for the north in the civil war. Yes, I do know that the Constitution leaves certain decisions to the states - and that is how it should be.

I do find that many religious/cultural conservatives are big government spenders on social programs and never met a regulation they didn’t like. They certainly like to constrain my rights as an adult to fit their idea of what the Bible says is family-friendly or “moral.” I grew up in the fifties and 60s and I am far to familiar with the layers of rules and the lessons of Pleasantville. I do not wish to return there.

I believe in small government, local control, the integrity of private property rights and the protection of individual rights against the collective/communitarianism. I believe that regulation should be constrained as much as possible to the prevention of real and substantial injury to the general public health and safety and should not be used to protect the environment from human beings or to promote the collective public interest.

So, in many of those beliefs I align more with libertarians than cultural conservatives or country club Republicans. I consider myself a true Republican and these others fringe groups.


47 posted on 03/17/2012 12:21:41 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Clintonfatigued

interesting


48 posted on 04/01/2012 6:27:28 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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