Posted on 03/16/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by johnatures
There is a chorus of calls for Ron Paul to get out of the race because "he's not a true Republican."
The Koch Brothers are trying to take over the libertarian think tank Cato Institute, and morph it into more of a conservative attack machine.
You'll hear people call the Libertarians "GOP lite."
Folks will accuse libertarians of siphoning votes unnecessarily from Republicans, helping to elect Democrats.
Is this just a case of semantics, or disgruntled Republicans joining up with a new party just to win a nomination that they couldn't capture within the GOP? Or is there a deep ideological difference between the two parties?
(see the article for more)
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What is there to get? Libertarians are Anarchists who bathe.
Losertarians.
Libertarians are not Republicans.
I do not know why there is even a question about that.
If there was EVER was a “libertarian” cause to pledge your life, your fortune, your sacred honor for...at this late stage of the republic...that would be the fight against Obama/Totalitariancare.
crickets...
(groan) “Republican” is the name of a political party; “libertarian” is the name of a political ideology. Contrasting libertarians and “Republicans” is a nonsense argument, just like contrasting libertarians and “Democrats”, but what do you want from a college professor.
Why Republicans Just Don’t Get Conservatives-It has come to this.
Touche!
true dat.
I tried to do research on the “Free West Alliance” once.
I stopped when I found out they considered “victimless crimes” to be things like incest, organ trafficking and cannibalism...
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion, I have a problem with them. I know, I know ... one song charley here ... not so, just the first of many problems I have with Libertarians.
There are “Libertarians” and “libertarians”.
I flirted with small “L” libertarianism when I was young. Until I found out more about the Libertarian Party and some of their platform issues.
The result of a little study left me cold.
Meaning of words change over time with inappropriate use.
Example: Liberal
In the 1770’s a Liberal was an Anti-Statist Anti-Monarchist.
In this day a “Liberal’ is a Marxist/Fascist Statist. No Liberty is involved in that.
Welcome to Post 1984. Classic doublespeak.
I stated this the day Obozo was coronated.
“Welcome to New Kenya.” (Africa U.S.A.)
“Where the law of the jungle has replaced the Law of the Land”
Please God: Save the United States of America.
Libertarians and Republicans are not the same thing, just as anarchists and Democrats are not the same thing. Many people have complex views that don’t fit neatly in boxes. Libertarians and Republicans often share goals that is enough.
Though not riddled with the usual strawman arguments posed by leftwing and conservative opponents to libertarianism, this article is pretty lightweight. For a serious article on the subject, Google “Why I Am Not a Conservative” by F.A. Hayek. Milton Friedman meant pretty much the same thing when he said, “I am libertarian with a small ‘l’ and Republican with a capital ‘R’. And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”
http://www.freetalklive.com/ These people are so called liberation. Listen to their broadcasts and decide. I listen for an hour or so daily and view their protests of civil disobedience. They brag about not paying taxes and not registering cars. However, some info is worthy of notice.
Speaking for myself, I have Libertarian sympathies, even though I’m not a full-fledged Libertarian. I have no problem with having them in the party and winning elective office.
Libertarians leaders fight GOP more than they fight DEM
Libertarians are “strict constructionists” of the Constitution. That is why they have many things in common with conservatives - other than “cultural conservatives” who want to impose their idea of religious morality as an official government standard.
Libertarians are for protection of individual rights against the majority.
You're spot on, doc. If they can't get this issue right, how can they be trusted on anything else?
Oh noes ! The Koch Brothers !
I think many folks do not know what the word “libertarian” actually means. For example, I remember hearing Bill Maher saying he was a “libertarian voting for Ralph Nader.” OK, libertarians for big government socialism :?
You have to delineate between the party and the philosophy.
I consider myself a small 'l' libertarian. And one of the basic principles is not initiating force against others.
Abortion is the ultimate force against the most vulnerable, and absolutely unacceptable.
/johnny
‘Despite their irresponsibility in some other areas, libertarians are true fiscal conservatives. This isn’t something most GOP politicians can claim. ‘
THANK YOU
I think Republicans get Libertarians just fine.
It’s upper-case L Libertarians, who don’t get that America is worth defending.
The LP is clueless about the real world.
Until that changes, Libertarians marginalize the entire concept of libertarianism.
Upper-case L Libertarians are to libertarianism, what RINOs are to the GOP:
The problem.
I’m more of an anarcho-libertarian or market-anarchist, but vote R for practical purposes.
Exactly.
The Republican Party was founded to abolish Slavery. This is one of those acts of "imposing their ideas of Religious Morality" on others. No doubt you disapprove of their success in so doing.
Roe v. Wade is cut from the same cloth as Dred Scott v. Sanford: Certain classes of people are property.
Libertarians are for protection of individual rights against the majority.
Unless those individuals are not considered persons. Then they have no rights.
Justify as you might ... the acceptance of abortion is a plank in your parties philosophy.
Because Libertarians are dope smoking F ups.
It's the philosophy that I'm discussing.
Some people have problems separating the two. Which is why the Republicans have RINOs.
/johnny
“Bucko”, I have been called many things but “Bucko” ... LOL! Sounds like something from Happy Days. Love it. LMAO!
Silly questions - it has nothing to do with Republicans (after all, RuPaul is a Republican, right? /s)
It’s that RP/Libertarians are NOT Conservative.
Considering that Libertarians have no problem with abortion
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Wrong! For those Libertarians who **know** that life begins at conception, they have a problem with abortion. I was very active in my state’s Libertarian Party for many years. Nearly all the Libertarians with whom I associated opposed abortion because without life there cannot be liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
No, we get them, we just don’t want them.
“(groan) “Republican” is the name of a political party; “libertarian” is the name of a political ideology. Contrasting libertarians and “Republicans” is a nonsense argument, just like contrasting libertarians and “Democrats”, but what do you want from a college professor.”
^ exactly
I thought RINO was another word for libertarian?
Everything terrifying about Ron Paul, he can accomplish on his first day in office. Everything that Republicans love about Ron Paul, he'll never get done.
As a 3rd party, they've never had to govern, and they can have all the stupid ideas they want.
But the basic problem with third parties is this: If a third-party movement cannot capture the largest share of one of the two political parties, it cannot possibly capture the largest share of the electorate as a whole. Therefore, all third-party movements are either cults of personality, or doomed to failure. Worse, they necessarily will attract more voters from the party which has previously attracted their supporters, thus weakening whatever political positions they support.
I have come to the conclusion that Republicans are merely the good cop in the socialists' good cop/bad cop routine with Americans. But the way to do something about this is to first conquer the Republican party, THEN win general elections.
Libertarianism long precedes the Libertarian Party which has done nothing to earn that name other than fill out some paperwork. I can’t tell you how many Libertarian Party members I’ve encountered who simply want marijuana, and wouldn’t mind one bit if it was given to them to by a government program, which saw fit to abduct ordinary Americans to work on communist Marijuana labor farms. At least Ron Paul is broadening that to include the Dennis Kucinich - Cynthia McKinney crowd. (Actually, I do know a few classic economic liberals and civil-rights crowd types who did switch to Paul, too.)
I have been a Republican all my life and I consider myself a conservative. I also believe that life begins at conception. My ancestors fought and died for the north in the civil war. Yes, I do know that the Constitution leaves certain decisions to the states - and that is how it should be.
I do find that many religious/cultural conservatives are big government spenders on social programs and never met a regulation they didn’t like. They certainly like to constrain my rights as an adult to fit their idea of what the Bible says is family-friendly or “moral.” I grew up in the fifties and 60s and I am far to familiar with the layers of rules and the lessons of Pleasantville. I do not wish to return there.
I believe in small government, local control, the integrity of private property rights and the protection of individual rights against the collective/communitarianism. I believe that regulation should be constrained as much as possible to the prevention of real and substantial injury to the general public health and safety and should not be used to protect the environment from human beings or to promote the collective public interest.
So, in many of those beliefs I align more with libertarians than cultural conservatives or country club Republicans. I consider myself a true Republican and these others fringe groups.
interesting
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