Skip to comments.The True Cost of Romney, Part 1
Posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by Windflier
...recognize that the election of the likes of Romney will make a successful run by an actual conservative, an actual Republican, an actual patriot, an actual candidate who will not sell out on each and every issue of actual importance to conservatives, an actual POTUS who can rally Republicans, conservatives, Reagan Democrats and genuine independents to the cause of restoring and preserving Western Civilization in this nation, as opposed to obsessing on paying off his rich friends and bailing out his incompetent Wall Street boodlers and peers, unlikely until at least 2016.
In the event that Romney loses now, or in the more difficult event that he can be successfully forced out in just four years, then conservatives (actual conservatives) can succeed in 2016.
If Romney is nominated and re-nominated in 2016, the earliest victory would be in 2020, and only if conservatives can convince the public that Romney's manifest liberal failures are NOT the responsibility of whatever party will by then be the actual opposition party to the Demonrats.
Neither 2016 nor 2020 look promising but, from the perspective of the disaster that was Gerald Ford's nomination in 1976, neither did 1980 look promising. No candidate who ran this year is an analogy to Reagan's run in 1976 which was necessary to his 1980 landslide over the worthless Carter (Obozo I) and to the defeat of a net 12 radical Demonrats (possibly excepting Talmadge) in the US Senate of the time, as well as of Jacob Javits, George McGovern, Gaylord Nelson, Herman Talmadge, Robert Morgan, Frank Church, Birch Bayh, and John Durkin, all defeated that year in the general.
Such an election in 2016 will be possible IF and only if the above-described actually conservative folks can settle long in advance on ONE and only ONE extremely capable candidate, burning with a true raging flame and dedicated above all to the babies, to gun rights, to preserving one man and one woman as the one and only form of marriage to be recognized in our nation now and forever, cutting taxes not on the greedy Wall Street pigs who have created the economic disaster and tragedy that Obozo gladly perpetuates (with their heavy financial support just as they supported Clinton twice and just as they supported Romney in this year's primaries) but on ordinary Americans, to restoring the jobs of those who fought our wars and who would work with their hands for a living, to preserving the rights of the Catholic Church to which I belong, and every other faith and church in this country to which other folks of good will and good faith belong, and which are consistent with Natural Law and Western Civilization, and to ruthlessly lancing every infectious pus pocket of special interest big shot corruption regardless of party identification, organize as conservatives have never organized before.
Such a 2016 candidate should have a demonstrated capability and track record for both good humor and also for actually fighting and verbally destroying the enemy within and without the GOP, to chase the corrupt money changers from the temple of our party, to diplomatically support similarly committed and principled candidates in Senate, House, and Governorship primaries to take the party back from the slimy degenerate liberals who would dominate it under Romney, to hold Romney relentlessly to conservative GOP principles for each and every moment that his lavishly special interest funded, despicable campaign of lies, slanders, and libels against each and every decent GOP opponent enabled him to have, NEVER to forget that campaign and NEVER to fail to hold it against Romney and his supporters.
Likewise, such a movement must seek to hold each and every "GOP" slimeball and Elitocrat in GOP drag in the Senate such as LAMAR!!! Alexander, Bob Corker, Lindsay Graham, Lisa Murkowski, Mark "Nancyboy" Kirk, Scott Brown, John Cornyn, John McCain, Thad Cochrane, Susan Collins, Richard Lugar, Saxby Chambliss, John Isakson, and any others like them including probably the modern day spineless Orrin Hatch, to actual conservative Republican standards and not to sell out their constituents' interests to satisfy Romneyism or to give in-house GOP aid and comfort to Romneyism in any way inconsistent with conservatism.
I urge you to vote your conscience. Either you have one worth respecting or you do not. To remind you....character is how you behave when no one is watching (as in the voting booth). Either you have it or you don't. You cannot depend on blaming others if you don't measure up. That lack of character is what we have in the White House now, and it is what we will have in the White House if Obozo is defeated by the Massachusetts Mushball and Serial Liar. I am not ready to sell my country down the river yet by voting for either of them. If you are willing to vote for the Mittwit and he succeeds in buying the White House and its power with his relentless well-funded lies, then prepare to face responsibility for his every crime, moral deviation, and moral abdication of responsibility while in office. Just remember not to dare blame actual conservatives or actual Republicans or actual Americans who have understandably refused to support either of them for the near certain evils of the next four years.
You don't need advice from me as to how you should vote any more than I need your advice on that subject. Just bear in mind that, if you vote for Romney and therefore for the destruction of the GOP and of the republic, as between thee and me, there is not and never will be a "we."
It does not matter that you voted for Newt Gingrich in the primaries, or for anyone else. Vote for Romney in the general election and you have defined yourself for the foreseeable future.
Anyone claiming to be a conservative who would sell out to Romney running as the Romney that conservatives well know him to be, need not be accused of a poverty of imagination and a poverty of commitment and, for that matter, of a poverty of principle, as each of those is patently obvious. No accusations are necessary. To vote for any old moneyed POS so long as he, she or it is a "Republican" POS invertebrate, is neither imaginative, nor evidence of commitment nor, to say the very least, evidence of conservative principle.
Understand that what elected Ronaldus Maximus was, in addition to his amiable and genial exterior and sense of humor and adherence to principle, a generation (my generation) of extremely angry but principled grass roots conservatives who despised the likes of Rockefeller, Ford, Nixon, Dole, Michel, Romney the Elder, Scranton, Ed Brooke, Jacob Javits, Charles Mathias, Robert Planned Barrenhood Packwood, Tom Kuchel, Lowell Weicker, and their ilk. We did not think much more of Bush the Elder.
No one thought we could defeat the GOP-E, much less elect a man derided as a second-rate B-movie actor to the White House. We did. I doubt that many of you were part of what was necessary to do that. It took backbone and character and a militant refusal to compromise with the evil that would use money to control the GOP and its policies. That's what we have done and what we can do and what we must do. Maybe Mittens can get you a nice job on Wall Street since money, in his mind, can buy just about anything and anyone and you don't drive a very hard bargain.
The potential candidate exists and did not run this year. That candidate does not qualify as a "White Knight," but rather as a Lady. Thatcher did a pretty good job in socialist England. Sarah would do a very good job here. Other backup candidates need to be developed and a new conservative movement needs to be recruited, trained in ideology and in ground warfare tactics, mobilized and networked and to wage an internal GOP civil war like the one in the 1960s and 1970s, and with a similar result.
Also, bear in mind, that the GOP Elite despised and abandoned Ronaldus Magnus through much of 1980 and he trailed in the polls until the Friday before the election, when the decisive shift among those who became known as Reagan Democrats and independent voters began to show in the polls, the lamestream media refused to report those polls from Saturday through election day, and Reagan administered his first definitive slaughter of national Demonrats including Carter and the Senatorial and Congressional Demonrats, carrying 44 states, including Taxachusetts and every state in New England not named Rhode Island, New York (coming close to carrying even New York City itself by massive support from Catholics and Orthodox Jews), New Jersey, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Pennsylvania, California, and thirty more, losing only Georgia, Minnesota, Maryland, West Virginia, Rhode Island and Hawaii. In 1984, he beat Mondale in all but Minnesota where Reagan showed mercy by cancelling two full days of scheduled Minnesota campaigning on the Saturday and Sunday before election day.
Am I doing a "crap job" of selling you on this vision? Who was selling? Part of building the necessary movement is excluding those afflicted by tunnel vision. If a candidate wants your vote, that doesn't mean I am seeking your vote for such a candidate. Whether you realize it or not, "the dominant two-party system we have," is in effect, that the Demonrats and the Romneycans are simply two heads of the same evil beast. That leads to the inevitable conclusion that we are expected to choose between Obozo and Obozo Lite. I won't.
If Romney and his sycophants want conservative votes, he and they will have to do the selling. That is too demanding and doomed a job by far for any rational person. It is time for Governor Etch-a-Sketch to go back to being what we all know he is: anti-baby, anti-marriage, anti-gun, anti-worker, anti-American, etc., and the devoted love slave of moneyed leftist interests, and try to compete with Obozo for the votes of Obozo's base who are far closer to Romney than he is to conservatives and to the values and morals we actual conservatives hold dear.
Slight editing for punctuation, and to de-personalize the post.
Thank you, BlackElk.
p.s. I called this Part 1, because I know there will be more.
No matter what anyone says, even if the Republican nominee is a warm tub of sh*t, I am voting for it because AT THE VERY LEAST Romney wont have the Muslim Brotherhood licking his balls. Also WE CAN PROTEST ROMNEY AND TAKE THE NOMINATION in 2016.
EXILE OBAMA AND BE DONE WITH HIM.
Yes, well said.
Romney is out of the question. I will never vote for a gay marriage enabling, baby killing socialist who thinks that he is a God entitled to rule his own planet. And that wrecking America is just a step along that privileged path.
What will you do when Sarah endorses Romney?
Here are some thoughts I posted about Romney, about a week ago:
For me, standing up to the tyranny that now besets us, is more than just lofty rhetoric. I can trace my direct lineage back to an American who fired at the British in anger during the Revolutionary War.
Since his time, a lot of my fathers have shed blood, or have sacrificed greatly, to stand guard over this fragile republic. What sort of son would I be if I meekly accepted the lefts terms of surrender in my day? Im not standing in harms way with a rifle in my hand, like so many of them did.
No - Im armed with only a ballot, by whose markings my fathers shall judge me. I would not even think of sullying their honor by giving my solemn vote to a man and a party, who have essentially gone into abject Treason against the very things my forefathers fought and bled for.
And where is the conservative candidate, the heir of Ronaldus Magnus? Who is and has been laying a groundwork for gaining the support of those of us conservatives? Will it be Perry, Santorum, Palin, Gingrich? Reagan winning the nomination in 1980 was not because he began his quest in 1978, but because he began it over a decade earlier. I voted for Newt in the primary, but I don’t know if he will persevere as Reagan did, and I’ve been a Newt supporter for many years.
I am not posting this question as sarcasm, but because I am truly looking for an answer and a conservative candidate. Who is the conservative out there whom I’m overlooking?
Thank you Windflier. I have been reading duplicate posts today from the bailers and it’s heartening to hear from someone else who has conscience driven core principles that are not negotiable.
I will detest Romney as much as I do today. Others can do as they wish, but I will not promote him, and I will not vote for him.
Perhaps it's you.
Dittos, Mary. Core principles ought to be non-negotiable, and well worth fighting for. Our forefathers certainly thought so, and so do I.
“Im armed with only a ballot, by whose markings my fathers shall judge me. I would not even think of sullying their honor by giving my solemn vote to a man and a party, who have essentially gone into abject Treason against the very things my forefathers fought and bled for.”
A vote is a civic sacrament, not choosing between team jerseys.
So essentially you will vote for Obama by throwing your vote away?
I admire Sarah greatly. "When" she endorse Mitt, I will just say fine and promptly ignore it.
No one or no thing on this Earth will ever get me to cast a vote for vile Mitt. Mitt and his evil staff when out of their way to utterly destroy Conservatives.
Mitt is die-hard Statist. He can never honestly debate a Conservative.
Mitt would only delay the inevitable. The economy can never properly recover under Mitt because his 50plus point platform and his liberal records clearly illustrates that he is incapable of viewing government as a necessary evil.
So, in three years when most people are still miserable, the MSM and the RATs will be screaming that the "hard-right" Conservative policies of Mitt are failing.
The Conservatives will be shut-out throughout his term because he will align with the RATs and RINOs. Mitt has a natural antithesis towards Conservatives.
With the new RAT voters, courtesy of Mitt's love of Amnesty, the RATs will walk into the White House in 2016 and complete the destruction of our Liberties.
In summary, with Mitt very little positive will occur and the Conservatives will be rabidly blamed for all the ills. It's a lose lose for Conservatives and Liberty.
I think it would be ridiculous to think that Mitt will be a big improvement.
You wouldn't think you'd have to remind conservatives of that basic truism, but unfortunately, some have had their core principles scared right out of them.
I understand your notion that we may as well let Obama “own this”
But do you think it is wise to give him a second term?
If you think he has been bad so far, just wait till he is a lame duck.
He will go scorched earth on us.
He wont even pretend to get along.
I’m too old to begin a political career and don’t have the bellie fire for it.
But who out there is the person who will pick up the mantel of conservatism? We must however, make sure that we support and elect conservative candidates to the house and senate. And into local and state offices.
A vote for Romney is no different than a vote for Obama. They work for the same masters, and are working toward the same agenda.
There is no choice involved here.
That said, electing Romney does even more damage than electing Obama, because he will take the whole conservative movement down the drain with him. Obama can't do that.
In fact, with a Republican dominated congress, Obama will likely be frozen in place. They'll do no such thing to Romney, who would be the de facto head of their party. They will allow him latitude that they'd never give to Obama.
There's the hard truth of it. Cogitate on it, my man.
Winning wars isn’t just all glory.
Sometimes the commanders are FUBAR and its a matter of the enlisted types to make progress in matters of inches in horrible conditions.
We all know that even if Romney wins there will be no parade for the conservative battle.
It will be a long slog.
I plan on electing some good enlisted men down ballot.
Keep up the good work. Michelle and I are proud of your work on our behalf. Like good ole Eric H says, four more years. Again, we thank you for your efforts, much appreciated. Our good friend Rev Al sends his regards, resist we much.
Barack Hussein Obama
John Boehner's doing a pretty good job at that now.
Good. Let him go 'scorched earth' on us. Maybe then, patriotic conservatives and other Americans will find their spines and start fighting back for real.
Elect the stealth liberal Romney, and no such thing will happen, though he'll be pushing nearly the same agenda.
You’re a regular here. Surely, you’ve read hundreds of well-reasoned posts that lay out the case against voting for Romney.
Obviously, none of that reasoning has swayed you. Why? Please lay out a reasoned case FOR Romney.
When you know you are standing on the shoulders of our forefathers and being a warrior for truth at the very depths of the soul in all that you do and say, it is a fight worth fighting.
That doesn’t minimize the backlash, however, from those who don’t get it. And they don’t. ...get it.
I wouldn’t be able to live with myself to know I voted for a nominee who has no core, no message, no scruples and no honor...a man who has not one quality that I believe to be good for our country or admirable as a man.
When I exercise the sacred right to vote, I stand before God, my country and my family. I will not disgrace them or myself by compromising the Conservative principles which guide my life.
I like what you said about our ancestors and forefathers.
Thanks for giving me hope that there are some stalwart warriors left here on Free Republic.
Take a look around, 57% of the country are hopeless idiots glued to their Iphone collecting gubmint freebees.
We're all that's left and giving a political opus in the jungle to the "Whiner Rouge" just get's us a bullet in the head doesn't leave us to fight another day.
Because he is more malleable than Obama IMHO
I am not for Romney.
I just think we have a better shot at controlling him than Obama.
Really? I thought after how smashing the tea party victories were in 2010, we’d have the nominee THIS TIME.
And I will bet my freaking house if I am protesting Romney in four years, others here will be arguing with me to stop protesting him.
Mark Levin is now talking with a worried sounding voice about how Romney will have to move farther right and act and talk more conservatively..ie he will need to come around to our way of thinking.
When has your attempt to change another person ever been successful?
Sitting around and wondering whether or not Romney is going to “come over’ to our side just might be an exercise in futility, Great One. And it’s not the way I want to live my life.
We were here first and our principles aren’t for sale or trade.
Romney’s writers borrowed from Reagan’s old speeches to hone that speech last night. Do you think he really believes what he said? Or is he just attempting to pander to us Conservatives until we fall into line? Kinda like Bam telling the students that he and his minions will find a way to forgive their loans.
It’s all a lie.
And when are the fawning Freepers who think that Mitt Romney will save our Republic by ridding our country of the evil Obama going to come back down to earth?
The GOP-E is doing a bang up job of trying to convince us that as of Nov. 6, a new Messiah will replace the old one and fix all that ails our country.
You have it right, sand88.
This fight for the soul of America is ours to win or lose.
We the People are in charge of our destiny.
We can give up now and take our spoon fed medicine and do as we are told...
or we can unanimously say NO ROMNEY/NO WAY!!!
And many thanks to the RNC who dissed us after the 2010 victories..and are now trying to silence us and send us to the back of(or under) the bus where they think we belong.
They’ll not receive one plug nickel from this Conservative again.
Yes, and a mere 3% of American patriots actually stood and fired in anger at the British in the American Revolution.
I think 43% are even better odds, don't you?
There will be no way in Hell that I or anyone in my family is going to sit home or worst yet, vote the 3rd party ruse and play a part in destruction and ruin of this great nation by handing over the White House to that marxist anti-American devil obambam. NEVER EVER EVER. I will vote REPUBLICAN and REPUBLICAN ONLY to get the devil out of the White House.
Thank God people like you are a minuscule inconsequential number and the vast majority of us understand enough to play our part to SAVE OUR COUNTRY from being devoured by devils.
Hear, hear. Comes a point where there's no room left to back up. Now is that point for me.
If we’re smart about it and keep our powder dry.
Support Mitt Romney so that he can help put government mandated software on all new computers to control porn and other content that you see on the internet.
Here is the proof in his own words.
How are we going to control him when he's the team captain?
If you want a mutiny (and you surely had better want one), you stand a far greater chance of one getting started under a captain that the whole crew hates with a passion, than you do with one who half the crew is lamely trusting to do the right thing.
Republicans will probably become the majority in both the House and Senate this year. They will lock arms against an avowed enemy (Obama), but they will play nice with someone who they view as the leader of their own party.
Obama and Romney have near-identical records in office. There's hardly a dime's worth of difference between them. If Romney is elected, we stand a far greater chance that Obama's Socialist agenda will go forward, than if The Great Evil himself is in office still pushing it against the opposition party in Congress.
This is the fundamental dynamic at work here. It's not pretty to look at, but if you have any intention of winning in the long term, you have to face that, and strategize accordingly.
I’m betting that he is shit skeered of mutiny.
Obama desires it.
If you're too scared to fight back, so be it, but don't come here preaching to good conservative patriots with a spine still left in their bodies, that they must follow Obama's comrade in arms.
I won't follow evil under any banner.
We've gotta fight back, friend. We're being sold a pig in a poke. We're being betrayed right in front of our eyes, and the establishment has the utter gall to ask us to choose which color chains we want around our necks.
"Red chains or Blue?
Which suits you?"
They can kiss my red white and blue ass! I'll never vote for treason and enslavement of any color!
Here is the difference in my mind.
Romney has a liberal record because he governed a liberal state and that’s what you gotta do in libville to get elected again.
Obama is a shyster community organizer to his very core.
I understand there is like 1° of separation between these clowns
Given the two I’ll take my chances on that 1° and I’ll knuckle down on it by putting every conservative in the Gov to remind him of his slim record.
"Act and talk"? Levin has had his principles scared right out of his mind. I don't care what Romney says --- it's his RECORD, Levin!
How on earth does a man as smart as Mark Levin pretzelize his thinking process so badly that he can ignore a candidate's governing record, while hanging on every stupid word of campaign propaganda he utters?
Obama's a fool or worse, if he actually desires a revolt. He can't win that fight, once it's started. No one can.
Patriotic America is the biggest, most well armed army on the planet. It would be sheer suicide to provoke us into a true rebellion.
I will vote for the idiot that wins the Republican Party primary process. Voting for anyone else is the same as voting for Obama, and neither my conscience nor my principles will allow me to do that. Neither will my love of my country nor my love of freedom. Bottomline, this nation may not be able to survive another 4 years if Obama is allowed to destroy us from within for 4 more years. He has already done more harm to this country then I could have imagined would be possible. Call me an alarmist etc. etc. etc., but I think there is damn good reason to assess that the alarm is justified. Either way I am not willing to chance being wrong about my alarm.
One thing you are right about I guess, is there is no we. Damn shame that you would support Obama in his re-election bid. Damn shame too that the best the Repblican Party can offer is Mitt Romney, but my vote will go for Mitt Romney, not Barack Hussein Obama. But the biggest shame is that you are allowing, the media, and the elitists of the Republican Party to split conservatives. By splitting, I mean diverting us from the common goal of removing the usurper Obama. That should be the only goal of conservatives/patriots, who want to restore the Constitution and return this country to God worshipping humans once again.
Mitt is no prize, but the refusal to vote for McLame got us Obama. Don't make the same mistake twice, because Obama truly is the fox on the hen house.
Ummm, the same way you do perhaps? You complain about Romney’s record, while ignoring Obama’s truly disasterous record. Mark Levin is under no delusion about Mitt, but he recognizes the true danger of Obama. That’s why he will go along with Mitt.
Ummm, the same way you do perhaps? You complain about Romney’s record, while ignoring Obama’s truly disasterous record. Mark Levin is under no delusion about Mitt, but he recognizes the true danger of Obama. That’s why he will go along with Mitt.
Except of course if Obama is reelected you can fully expect to see a Chavez style take over of the rest of whatever we have. There will be no 2016 election.
Sinking the ship is not the way to get your point across
Stop making excuses for that degenerate liberal. Go and honestly read up on what he did while he was Governor of Massachusetts.
He was more than happy to work hand in hand with the liberals to forward their pinko Commie agenda. Read his comments during those days, and examine the famous photo of him signing RomneyCare into law. He's sitting there, grinning ear to ear, surrounded by the most evil Communists in US government of that time. They were his friends, and he delivered exactly what they wanted.
Where were his conservative 'friends', pray tell? There weren't any, because the man's an abject lying poser, that's why. He's even worse than a Democrat, because he fools good Republicans into supporting him. At least the Democrat spits in your face and tells you he's your enemy. Romney smiles at you while holding the knife behind his back - just waiting for you to trust him so he can stick it to you.
If the man had a shred of decency, or even if he was merely a Republican, he would have stood on his very best principles and governed Massachusetts in a responsible manner - no matter what the outcome of the next election would be.
Even after violating every known conservative principle, and giving the Massachusetts left everything they wanted and more, the slimeball left office with a 35% approval rating, and didn't even try to run for re-election because he had NO chance of winning.
So, what did selling out to the left get him? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Yet, he hasn't changed his stripes. He didn't learn a damn thing from that experience, and now he's asking the conservative right for their support in a national election. What utter, unmitigated gall!
I predict failure.
The GOP needs to go the way of the whigs.
I would like to see a strong conservative 3rd party candidate rise up and destroy the GLOP (GRAND LIBERAL OLD PARTY)
Given the two Ill take my chances on that 1° and Ill knuckle down on it by putting every conservative in the Gov to remind him of his slim record.
I'll go over the dynamics at work here again. A Republican Congress isn't going to stand up to, or thwart the agenda of a Republican president, no matter what his agenda is. They're going to go along to get along with 'their' guy.
A Republican dominated Congress will lock arms and OPPOSE a president who is clearly on the other side.
Think it through. Which of these presidents is going to stand a better chance of seeing their agenda enacted?
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